Automotive News Discussion

[JustinG]

But did you notice the option for a carbon fiber composite box?!?  That was super interesting to me.  I don't know realistically how that would compare to steel in terms of heavy loads dropping on it but the weight savings is going to be obvious.  

That is just marketing bullshit. Who is actually dropping insanely heavy items into the bed of their truck? I've never seen someone literally launch a toolbox into the bed of their truck, either because they care about their tools and/or their truck.

As someone who lives in a newly developing subdivision, I can tell you that yes, I have seen lots of rtards dropping insanely heavy items in the back of a truck with ZERO fucks given.

[Senor_Taylor]

GM having a bed not made out of steel after all of their commercials shitting on Ford for it is the equivalent of Donald Trump doing everything he criticized on Twitter.

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[Evan]

The only people who see a problem with 150hp in a Miata are people who never owned one. A high horsepower Miata is no longer a Miata. I think 180 would he fine, but if you want a factory 200+ hp Miata, buy something else.

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Did you copy paste that from miata.net?
Ive owned a few,  and Id love a 200hp miata.   

The only reason to not like a higher hp miata is if it compromises anything else that makes it great. (ie- iron v8 miata with a stick axle)

There is no reason not to love a miata with a lightweight high revving I4 that makes 220+ hp.   Something like the engines that honda used to make before they lost their soul.

[Senor_Taylor]

But did you notice the option for a carbon fiber composite box?!?  That was super interesting to me.  I don't know realistically how that would compare to steel in terms of heavy loads dropping on it but the weight savings is going to be obvious.  

That is just marketing bullshit. Who is actually dropping insanely heavy items into the bed of their truck? I've never seen someone literally launch a toolbox into the bed of their truck, either because they care about their tools and/or their truck.

As someone who lives in a newly developing subdivision, I can tell you that yes, I have seen lots of rtards dropping insanely heavy items in the back of a truck with ZERO fucks given.

Yeah, I've spent plenty of time chucking logs/other shit in the bed of my truck. Actual truck things aren't usually gently sitting an engine on a tire in your bed. *Most* "truck things" involve dirt, hay bails, rusty farm equipment/tools, ladders, contraction materials.

Just that nobody here interacts with people who use their vehicles like that often.

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The only people who see a problem with 150hp in a Miata are people who never owned one. A high horsepower Miata is no longer a Miata. I think 180 would he fine, but if you want a factory 200+ hp Miata, buy something else.

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Did you copy paste that from miata.net?
Ive owned a few,  and Id love a 200hp miata.   

The only reason to not like a higher hp miata is if it compromises anything else that makes it great.

There is no reason not to love a miata with a lightweight high revving I4 that makes 220+ hp.   Something like the engines that honda used to make before they lost their soul.

Sure, go ahead and build a Miata to do that, but that from the Factory is not the Miata and not the audience the car is marketing to. Look at who buys a Miata new. New Miatas already cost enough, so adding power surely drives that up even more. The consumer that buys the high power 4 cylinder buys an Si.

Just go buy the Abarth Fiata if you want a fast Miata. It exists, but no one is buying it.

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[D_Eclipse9916]

The new Sierra is dropping today with a visual facelift.  Not sure if there are going to be any other innovations but I'm curious to see.

I'll be watching pretty intently.  Starting to look at maybe upgrading my truck.

http://www.gmc.com/trucks/2019-sierra-15...C_01032018

Power tailgate

Let me get this straight.   Your hauling enough big heavy shit that you need a full size truck,  but you cant be bothered to pull a handle and lower the tailgate yourself?   For fucks sake, this is getting out of control.

My Titan has gas pistons in the tailgate that let you pull the handle and just let it drop.  I thought *that* was luxurious and unnecessary.

Uh have you ever been carrying heavy shit and had to put it down to open your tailgate instead of pressing a button on the remote?  Have you ever wanted a "lockable" pickup bed (combine with a retrax lockable) that at a push of a button unlocks instead of having more keys on your already heavy key ring (because trailer lock/side door lock/etc).  You KNOW you would like a power tailgate.

Also yeah I need a tough bed.  Even my pickup bed that is "old GMC" steel with a very thick rhinolining has HUGE dents/dings/bends from use and I am not a contractor.  A durable pickup bed is VERY important to me.  (Think used rotors/steel that I am throwing in the bed to go take to the recycler) The carbon fiber actually sounds awesome if its stronger, but my concern is once Carbon Fiber breaks, it cracks, not just dents; and I dont want to know replacement cost.

[Evan]

Uh have you ever been carrying heavy shit and had to put it down to open your tailgate instead of pressing a button on the remote? 

No. I put the gate down beforehand.
If youre carrying heavy shit and cant pull the handle, you cant fish in your pocket and pull out a remote either. A handle takes exactly as many hands as a remote. If it had the foot wiggle sensor at least you would have a case for the times you dont think ahead to put the gate down.

Have you ever wanted a "lockable" pickup bed (combine with a retrax lockable) that at a push of a button unlocks instead of having more keys on your already heavy key ring (because trailer lock/side door lock/etc).  You KNOW you would like a power tailgate.

I have never locked a truck tailgate. I have also never locked a screen door.
And for the record, a power lock is not a power tailgate.

[Goodspeed]

The only people who see a problem with 150hp in a Miata are people who never owned one. A high horsepower Miata is no longer a Miata. I think 180 would he fine, but if you want a factory 200+ hp Miata, buy something else.

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Did you copy paste that from miata.net?
Ive owned a few,  and Id love a 200hp miata.   

The only reason to not like a higher hp miata is if it compromises anything else that makes it great. (ie-  iron v8 miata with a stick axle)

I'll take an aluminum V8 and IRS, plz.  Skip to 6:00 

[WRXtranceformed]

But did you notice the option for a carbon fiber composite box?!?  That was super interesting to me.  I don't know realistically how that would compare to steel in terms of heavy loads dropping on it but the weight savings is going to be obvious.  

That is just marketing bullshit. Who is actually dropping insanely heavy items into the bed of their truck? I've never seen someone literally launch a toolbox into the bed of their truck, either because they care about their tools and/or their truck.

I had 500 miles on my Canyon and I had a guy not so gently max the payload with a pallet of engineered hardwoods.  My truck isn't getting a workout like my Toyotas used to when I worked in construction but yeah, I would drop a lot of heavy stuff in them fairly regularly.  

Evan:  I have the same feature on my truck tailgate and I love it.  My buddy with a Raptor actually noticed it the other day and said he wished he had that feature on his truck.  I also keep my tailgate locked constantly because I keep hearing these stories about tailgates getting stolen

[rherold9]

The time has come, the old men of MM have come out of the woodwork, they have been so bored because there has been nothing going on in the last several months on the forum they are arguing about a tailgate.

[Senor_Taylor]

Tailgate theft is actually pretty common. Especially on Toyotas.

We used to swap people's tailgates in highschool without them noticing.

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[.RJ]

You cant do that now, probably have to code the tailgate to the VIN and ECU.

[WRXtranceformed]

Tailgate theft is actually pretty common. Especially on Toyotas.

We used to swap people's tailgates in highschool without them noticing.

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Probably even more of an issue with the new, fancy feature-filled ones like on the new Sierra.  I think I read that the average cost to replace a tailgate (plus paint) is like $3,500+

I'd hate to see a repair bill on a carbon composite box being damaged in an accident...

[D_Eclipse9916]

Uh have you ever been carrying heavy shit and had to put it down to open your tailgate instead of pressing a button on the remote? 

No.  I put the gate down beforehand.  
If youre carrying heavy shit and cant pull the handle,  you cant fish in your pocket and pull out a remote either.  A handle takes exactly as many hands as a remote.    If it had the foot wiggle sensor at least you would have a case for the times you dont think ahead to put the gate down.

Have you ever wanted a "lockable" pickup bed (combine with a retrax lockable) that at a push of a button unlocks instead of having more keys on your already heavy key ring (because trailer lock/side door lock/etc).  You KNOW you would like a power tailgate.

I have never locked a truck tailgate.  I have also never locked a screen door.
And for the record,  a power lock is not a power tailgate.

 I find it far easier to press a button on my remote than get my hands in the above waist position while carrying weight and lift up on a handle.   I guess you are better than me but there are lots of time I am walking out of my house with a set of wheels and I can have the keys in my hand and carry 2 wheels/tires.  Hitting a button and then throwing the wheels in is way better than putting the load down, or making sure to go outside first, unlock the tailgate, go back inside, then grab the wheels then go back outside...  It's a convenience item for sure, but a way to save time/effort is a plus in my mind.

Never locked a tailgate?  How did you feel about leaving out thousands of dollars worth of equipment in the back of your bed at a hotel on the way to a race weekend?  I also use a metal retracting bed cover with a lock, the soft tops are laughable on real protection (I think that's what you are getting at with the screen door?)

[Senor_Taylor]

RJ, I enjoy your hatred of BMW Taillights too much.

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[D_Eclipse9916]

The time has come, the old men of MM have come out of the woodwork, they have been so bored because there has been nothing going on in the last several months on the forum they are arguing about a tailgate.

I thought Taylor spending $1k on snake oil would have had the forum in complete meltdown, instead we argue about the usefulness of a locking tailgate.  This forum has come a long way.

[.RJ]

RJ, I enjoy your hatred of BMW Taillights too much.

all these flavors, and i choose salty.

the tailgates/beds if they're damaged will just get lifted off the frame and replaced.  I'm guessing the cost isnt that much different.  Maybe offset parts cost by not having to paint some of it.  Its neat but I am really not sure that I understand the use of composites here.

[rherold9]

I thought Taylor spending $1k on snake oil would have had the forum in complete meltdown, instead we argue about the usefulness of a locking tailgate.  This forum has come a long way.

If Taylor didn't have such a clever response it would've gone a lot different

[WRXtranceformed]

RJ, I enjoy your hatred of BMW Taillights too much.

 Its neat but I am really not sure that I understand the use of composites here.

100% fuel efficiency and weight savings

[D_Eclipse9916]

I thought Taylor spending $1k on snake oil would have had the forum in complete meltdown, instead we argue about the usefulness of a locking tailgate.  This forum has come a long way.

If Taylor didn't have such a clever response it would've gone a lot different

Yes, that's why I chose to stay out of it...his cleverness...yes....

[Senor_Taylor]

Yeah, well y'all hate on my snake oil all you want. We'll see who is laughing when these magic beans I bought from the dealer sprout.

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