Automotive News Discussion

[G.Irish]

360s are getting into the affordable range but the maintenance still looks really expensive. Have you looked into what that would run?

I've been watching.  It's not terrible IF you are diy, they are just cars after all.  You can also do the major services without dropping the motor

This.  If you get a manual 360 you don't have to deal with servicing the F1 transmission, and timing belt changes are not engine out like they were for the F355.  I forget if the 360 needs to use the Ferrari factory computer diagnostic tool.  I know with the newer Ferraris it's a $20k tool and Ferrari won't sell it to you (or anyone but a dealer).

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I'm hoping it tanks the values of the GT4 or gated 360/430 as I prefer all of them to the new Corvette for what I would use it for (street/autocross/maybe some track events) and it must have a manual.

In the past the value proposition of the Corvette didn't have too much effect on the other cars. Now that the C8 has taken such a big step up, it may be the first time that it directly eats into the demand for those exotics. Wonder if it'll also put pressure on GT350 and ZL1 prices.

I did just see that the Corvette will probably be around 3600 lbs though. Only exotic/semi-exotics at that weight are the GTR, R8, 911 Turbo, and 2nd Gen NSX. All of those cars are AWD.

[.RJ]

Do you still get hammered on resale if you didnt service the car at the ferrari dealer?

[Apoc]

I'm looking at this car, and it basically destroys the value proposition of a bunch of more expensive cars.  I can't really find any reason not to get one of these over something like a GT4, used 430, etc. other than GM's sometimes questionable reliability.  And that I prefer high revving powerplants.  But shit, for half the price of something like a 991 GT3...

With such a radical change I'd be a bit leery of getting an early car.  Doubly so with the Z06.  

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Except it's a Corvette and there's a whole cadre of people who aren't interested in owning a Corvette instead of a Porsche or Ferrari. Not everyone cares about hp per dollar or maximizing their value, especially in that price bracket.

This car does nothing for me. That probably makes me a snob or some shit, but SUPERFAST cars aren't necessarily a commodity like $20k cars. FWIW, most Ferraris do nothing for me either... but you get the point.

[JPolen01]

I take back what I said about the 360s. It looks like the auto cars are under $70k, some as low as $55ish. The manual cars are still well over $80k into the $100ks. This was just a quick glance at Beat.

[G.Irish]

Except it's a Corvette and there's a whole cadre of people who aren't interested in owning a Corvette instead of a Porsche or Ferrari. Not everyone cares about hp per dollar or maximizing their value, especially in that price bracket.

The person looking at a new 488 or Turbo S is probably not going to be swayed by the base model Corvette. I'm talking about the people looking at used 430's, R8's, 911's, etc.

Of course there are people who still would never buy a domestic sports car, but there are plenty of people who simply didn't buy a Corvette because of it's former weaknesses. The Vette used to be a crude instrument of speed with a poor interior. Now it handles much better, is much more refined, still has world-beating performance, has a pretty good-looking interior, and now the exterior looks semi-exotic.

For people that didn't buy Corvettes before because of the cheap interior or crudeness, now the Corvette is something that makes a pretty damned good case for itself. If they had raised the price by $20-30k, then it'd be kinda questionable. But starting at $60K? And if the Z06 is still under $100k? That's hard to ignore.

We'll still have to see reviews and early reliability but this looks like a game changer.

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Do you still get hammered on resale if you didnt service the car at the ferrari dealer?

Probably not as badly on the older models, but on a 458/488 it would still be a decent hit on resale.  I think as long as you keep records on something like a 430, 350, 550, etc. you'd be good to go.

[Apoc]

I'm talking about the people looking at used 430's, R8's, 911's, etc.

I'm thinking I'm the exception, but if I'm buying a used version of those cars I'm buying them because I want the model and cannot afford new... not because I want anything new and fast and awesome. Perhaps I just have an overdeveloped sense of sentimentality about cars.

[G.Irish]

I think people buy those cars for the driving experience, looks, sound, brand cachet, performance and for sentimental reason. Each buyer has a different mix of those reasons for buying, and some of those cars are much stronger in some of those categories than others.

The Corvette lacks a lot of those things but is such a big performance bargain that it's hard not to look. On paper I'd take it over a 430, but I was never a fan of the 430's exterior styling anyway. Same way some(most) people hate the 996's headlights.

[JPolen01]

The Corvette lacks a lot of those things but is such a big performance bargain that it's hard not to look.  On paper I'd take it over a 430, but I was never a fan of the 430's exterior styling anyway.  Same way some(most) people hate the 996's headlights.

If we can skip the 430 all together I am okay with that.

[Ryan T]

Except it's a Corvette and there's a whole cadre of people who aren't interested in owning a Corvette instead of a Porsche or Ferrari. Not everyone cares about hp per dollar or maximizing their value, especially in that price bracket.

The person looking at a new 488 or Turbo S is probably not going to be swayed by the base model Corvette.  I'm talking about the people looking at used 430's, R8's, 911's, etc.

Of course there are people who still would never buy a domestic sports car, but there are plenty of people who simply didn't buy a Corvette because of it's former weaknesses.  The Vette used to be a crude instrument of speed with a poor interior.  Now it handles much better, is much more refined, still has world-beating performance, has a pretty good-looking interior, and now the exterior looks semi-exotic.

For people that didn't buy Corvettes before because of the cheap interior or crudeness, now the Corvette is something that makes a pretty damned good case for itself.  If they had raised the price by $20-30k, then it'd be kinda questionable.  But starting at $60K?  And if the Z06 is still under $100k?  That's hard to ignore.  

We'll still have to see reviews and early reliability but this looks like a game changer.

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Do you still get hammered on resale if you didnt service the car at the ferrari dealer?

Probably not as badly on the older models, but on a 458/488 it would still be a decent hit on resale.  I think as long as you keep records on something like a 430, 350, 550, etc. you'd be good to go.

I’ve talked to several people who (like me) are more likely to buy a C8. It’s at the absolute top end of what I could afford to make payments on, in it’s base model. I know several car enthusiasts who could swing a modded 25-30k and put some money into it or a ~$60k new car. In a stretch I could swing the new Corvette and rely on the warranty until I pay it off. That’s what a lot of guys are banking on and I can’t blame them. Pay $60k for a ten year old Ferrari with questionable history or the same money for a brand new car with a warranty.  Hard to pass up if you want performance and don’t care as much about the name.

[Apoc]

I’ve talked to several people who (like me) are more likely to buy a C8. It’s at the absolute top end of what I could afford to make payments on, in it’s base model. I know several car enthusiasts who could swing a modded 25-30k and put some money into it or a ~$60k new car. In a stretch I could swing the new Corvette and rely on the warranty until I pay it off. That’s what a lot of guys are banking on and I can’t blame them. Pay $60k for a ten year old Ferrari with questionable history or the same money for a brand new car with a warranty.  Hard to pass up if you want performance and don’t care as much about the name.

I think what you describe is a much more likely market - people reaching up on performance versus reaching down on affordability. I guess I was thinking the R8 and the 911 dreamers of the world probably had specific reasons for wanting those. I'm projecting, probably. As for a 430? Meh. Then again, I've half considered selling the 911 and getting a 2002... because I'm dumb.

The car will sell well, there's no doubt about that.

[JustinG]

Can buy mid engine, v8, sports car for $60k.

But a sporty wagon will cost you $85k.

[Kaan]

DINK life is cheaper. if you need a wagon for all those childrens... you must pay!

[.RJ]

Can buy mid engine, v8, sports car for $60k.

But a sporty wagon will cost you $85k.

Or you could buy a VW wagon + Vette for $85k....

[Apoc]

Can buy mid engine, v8, sports car for $60k.

But a sporty wagon will cost you $85k.

Or you could buy a VW wagon + Vette for $85k....

Yeah, but then you'd have a VW wagon.

I'm 100% serious when I say a small part of the reasons I want to move to Europe is the car selection.

[Sijray21]

I'm 100% serious when I say a small part of the reasons I want to move to Europe is the car selection.

this.

[.RJ]

I would move to own an RS4 Avant

[Senor_Taylor]

Y'all are crazy

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[RawrImAMonster]

I did just see that the Corvette will probably be around 3600 lbs though.  Only exotic/semi-exotics at that weight are the GTR, R8, 911 Turbo, and 2nd Gen NSX.  All of those cars are AWD.

Where are you seeing that it will be 3600 lbs?  Everything I've seen says it will be around ~3300.

[G.Irish]

Dry weight is 33xx lbs. So loaded up with all fluids it'll be several hundred lbs more for the curb weight. Probably in the 3500-3600 range if I had to guess.

[rherold9]

Of course they had to:



I honestly didn't like the interior from the launch pics, but damn this is hawt. Love this color combo and material look:



Exhaust manifolds that run upwards? Interesting