Rich Car Guy Problems: Montana License Plate Tax Dodge Crackdown

[Senor_Taylor]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year. So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do. I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

I paid my taxes on the GTI (oof ouch owie) in Loudoun, then filed me moving to Fairfax. I wonder if I'll ever get back what they owe me.

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[WRXtranceformed]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

I paid my taxes on the GTI (oof ouch owie) in Loudoun, then filed me moving to Fairfax. I wonder if I'll ever get back what they owe me.

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You would only if Loudoun has a county specific tax (IIRC they do, but it's been a while).  State tax is state tax no matter where you move in the state.  But they sure aren't going to offer you up a refund unless you proactively go and ask for it.  Usually it involves a call / trip to the tax assessor and sharing some proof that you moved or you sold your car (bill of sale and a receipt from the DMV showing you turned the plates in).

Man I feel like I should start charging some consulting fees here.  Have none of you guys ever asked for a property tax refund when you sold your cars?

[ScottyB]

i don't have much in the way of constructive insight to add, other than if these guys are wealthy enough to afford these cars, they're probably wealthy enough to hold onto some decent lawyers. i'm interested to see how the ensuing lawsuit war pans out between the owners and the state, because there's no way they're just going to roll over and pay up if they've gone to these lengths already.

[D_Eclipse9916]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

I paid my taxes on the GTI (oof ouch owie) in Loudoun, then filed me moving to Fairfax. I wonder if I'll ever get back what they owe me.

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You would only if Loudoun has a county specific tax (IIRC they do, but it's been a while).  State tax is state tax no matter where you move in the state.  But they sure aren't going to offer you up a refund unless you proactively go and ask for it.  Usually it involves a call / trip to the tax assessor and sharing some proof that you moved or you sold your car (bill of sale and a receipt from the DMV showing you turned the plates in).

Man I feel like I should start charging some consulting fees here.  Have none of you guys ever asked for a property tax refund when you sold your cars?

LOL.  I feel like VA was a lot easier.  I just had to make a call because they do in retro and it gets cut off from your next bill. (You pay taxes in arrear vs NC you pay ahead).

NC is a pain.  I had to sell the car, get my bill of sale, turn in my tags to the DMV, then take the receipt from the DMV and the bill of sale.  Call the Iredell Tax admin, get an address and snail mail or fax my bill of sale and receipt from the DMV in.  And someday ill get my tax pro-rated refund.  Someday...

[JPolen01]

No yearly tax of any kind on vehicles Maryland suckas!

[G.Irish]

i don't have much in the way of constructive insight to add, other than if these guys are wealthy enough to afford these cars, they're probably wealthy enough to hold onto some decent lawyers.  i'm interested to see how the ensuing lawsuit war pans out between the owners and the state, because there's no way they're just going to roll over and pay up if they've gone to these lengths already.

That's a good point.  Georgia's strategy here is to go after 2 of the worst offenders to the tune of $1.6 million.  But for that much money, it would be worth it for those guys to fight it.

If they went after some smaller fish that owed maybe $20-50k, those guys might decide it's not worth it to fight.  Legal fees would make it a lose-lose.

Only thing I can surmise is that the GA tax enforcers feel like they have a very strong case.

[Jake]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

The Virginia DMV website does not show the F150 listed under "my vehicles" - just my trailer. My buddy at the Ford dealer (who is the sales manager and presumably knows his shit) said Ford covered the PP tax for leases in Virginia. I'm not sure how they do it, but it was a big incentive to lease the truck instead of purchase it. I have not seen a bill, have had the truck since early March, and already seen/paid the bills for the Range Rover and trailer.

Maybe it's different brand to brand?

[.RJ]

tl;dr - the tax man gets his money one way or the other

[Senor_Taylor]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

I paid my taxes on the GTI (oof ouch owie) in Loudoun, then filed me moving to Fairfax. I wonder if I'll ever get back what they owe me.

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You would only if Loudoun has a county specific tax (IIRC they do, but it's been a while).  State tax is state tax no matter where you move in the state.  But they sure aren't going to offer you up a refund unless you proactively go and ask for it.  Usually it involves a call / trip to the tax assessor and sharing some proof that you moved or you sold your car (bill of sale and a receipt from the DMV showing you turned the plates in).

Man I feel like I should start charging some consulting fees here.  Have none of you guys ever asked for a property tax refund when you sold your cars?

I already did all of this Jake. Thanks.

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[Jake]

That was Lee, Taylor. But you're welcome.

[Apoc]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

The Virginia DMV website does not show the F150 listed under "my vehicles" - just my trailer. My buddy at the Ford dealer (who is the sales manager and presumably knows his shit) said Ford covered the PP tax for leases in Virginia. I'm not sure how they do it, but it was a big incentive to lease the truck instead of purchase it. I have not seen a bill, have had the truck since early March, and already seen/paid the bills for the Range Rover and trailer.

Maybe it's different brand to brand?

Looks like it depends entirely on the lease contract. The lessor is the one ultimately responsible but they may pass it one via the contract. If they do, one might be eligible for tax relief.

Titling Your Leased Vehicle

• The leased vehicle will be titled in the name of the lessor (owner).
  
  
• All applicable fees are due at the time of titling by the lessor, such as the $10 title fee and the motor vehicle sales and use tax.NOTE: The leasing agreement may require the lessee to make these payments.
  

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#leased.asp
 
Leased vehicles qualify for tax relief if:

• they are leased by a natural person
  
  
• they are used for nonbusiness purposes, and
  
  
• the lessee has paid the personal property tax on the vehicle.
  

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/general/#pptr/leasing.asp

[Senor_Taylor]

That was Lee, Taylor. But you're welcome.

Oh whoops. Anyway. Guess what came in the mail today.

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[Evan]

"Overtaxed".  I have to pay taxes at the same % basis for my car as that guy with the $1M. 

No, you dont. Car tax relief applies to the first ?$20k? of car value.

[ViPER1313]

Just buy $500 cars... tax man can have his $30, problem solved!

[WRXtranceformed]

Lee mentioned something about property tax on leases. No idea how any other OEM does it, but my Ford does not require that I pay any property taxes. It's basically a rental car.

I am with DJ on the trailer registration, the property taxes and such are not that much, and I'd rather know I'm 100% legal with it versus take chances otherwise.

Your lease company isn't going to require that you pay your property tax, it's your local municipality.  NC and SC both require that you pay your property tax on your vehicle before they will renew your registration every year.  So if you aren't paying property tax on your truck, it's because your area doesn't have a car tax.  My guess is that you just haven't seen the yearly bill for it yet.  

FYI my brother leases his S3 and had to pay property tax in VA and in DC when he just moved (you can request a prorated refund if you move or sell the vehicle, which I always do.  I just got a few hundo back from the state for my Canyon).  It isn't tied to a specific make of car.

The Virginia DMV website does not show the F150 listed under "my vehicles" - just my trailer. My buddy at the Ford dealer (who is the sales manager and presumably knows his shit) said Ford covered the PP tax for leases in Virginia. I'm not sure how they do it, but it was a big incentive to lease the truck instead of purchase it. I have not seen a bill, have had the truck since early March, and already seen/paid the bills for the Range Rover and trailer.

Maybe it's different brand to brand?

Who knows, it's possible.  Since it sounds like VA tax is in arrears, they may have absorbed the tax you owed for the first three months of the year (or possibly rolled it into your fees / payment).  I'd be really surprised if you did not get a tax bill next March for the prior year, but if you don't that's awesome

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Just buy $500 cars... tax man can have his $30, problem solved!

That's how poor people game the system. We're talking about rich people in this thread

[Apoc]

"Overtaxed".  I have to pay taxes at the same % basis for my car as that guy with the $1M. 

No, you dont.  Car tax relief applies to the first ?$20k? of car value.

Pretty sure that doesn't apply to him cause he doesn't live in VA.

The real kick in the nuts around here is we have an annual tax to fund mass transit and it's based on MSRP at time of purchase with a set depreciation schedule that ignores actual market value. Assinine.

https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistrati...edule.html

[Ken]

No yearly tax of any kind on vehicles Maryland suckas!

Same here in NY & NJ. Blows my mind to have to pay tax on a car more than once.

[WRXtranceformed]

"Overtaxed".  I have to pay taxes at the same % basis for my car as that guy with the $1M. 

No, you dont.  Car tax relief applies to the first ?$20k? of car value.

Pretty sure that doesn't apply to him cause he doesn't live in VA.

The real kick in the nuts around here is we have an annual tax to fund mass transit and it's based on MSRP at time of purchase with a set depreciation schedule that ignores actual market value. Assinine.

https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistrati...edule.html

You mean you're forced to pay for those hot garbage electric trolley cars that are always breaking their tethers off and getting stuck in the middle of the road?

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No yearly tax of any kind on vehicles Maryland suckas!

Same here in NY & NJ. Blows my mind to have to pay tax on a car more than once.

Yeah but NY and NJ more than make up for it when you buy a home and you have to pay those crippling property taxes. MD has high property tax too IIRC

[JustinG]

No yearly tax of any kind on vehicles Maryland suckas!

Yeah, but you live in Maryland, that's enough of a tax.

[JPolen01]

Yeah but NY and NJ more than make up for it when you buy a home and you have to pay those crippling property taxes.  MD has high property tax too IIRC

Exactly. It all shakes out. But it would drive me nuts to continue paying tax on a car year after year.

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No yearly tax of any kind on vehicles Maryland suckas!

Yeah, but you live in Maryland, that's enough of a tax.

There it is!