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2.4L? psh. 1.5L 4cyl is as least as relevant today as it was in the '80s, we could make almost 1000hp/L then, no-one complained about the sound, and we liked it dammit. 



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Mustang GT500 to have 500 hp, but weight 4200 lbs?

[Image: 2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-02-1.jpg]

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/23/2020...cs-leaked/

Don't know where that extra 400 lbs is coming from but I'm sure people will be tripping over their mullets to buy these anyway.
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New Z4 dropped, the German Supra:

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The new Z4 looked bad on my phone, even worse on my monitor. Wow that's bad.
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Looks. Basic. Actually, I take that back. It looks like a bloated Fiat 124

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(08-23-2018, 04:12 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: Looks. Basic. Actually, I take that back. It looks like a bloated Fiat 124

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my reaction too.

Except it makes the Fiat look good by comparison.
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Let's put them side-by-side because Jesus Crust they are so similar up front:

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It looks like they literally copy pasted the front of a 6 series gran coupe on the already existing z4. That's terrible looking.
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Man all the other Z roadsters had at least somewhat bulgy fenders...where did they go?
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Don't know how BMW missed the mark so badly on the Z4's styling. All of the previous Z4's looked way better than this one.
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I like it.  Undecided
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Ya I think it looks fine too. But yes, just like the Fiat.

(08-23-2018, 03:27 PM)G.Irish Wrote: Don't know where that extra 400 lbs is coming from but I'm sure people will be tripping over their mullets to buy these anyway.
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(08-23-2018, 05:41 PM)Ryan T Wrote: I like it.  Undecided

+1

The kidneys look elongated, but still better than the Fiat or a Miata, IMO.
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Better than the Miata? You cray

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it only gets worse from other angles
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(08-23-2018, 03:27 PM)G.Irish Wrote: Mustang GT500 to have 500 hp, but weight 4200 lbs?

[Image: 2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-02-1.jpg]

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/23/2020...cs-leaked/

Don't know where that extra 400 lbs is coming from but I'm sure people will be tripping over their mullets to buy these anyway.
4200 lbs is scary heavy I hope that's not the real weight

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That sucks, always liked the Z3/Z4 models. That's just not working for me. The front looks so wide that it messes up the length / width proportion of the car I loved.
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(08-23-2018, 10:36 PM)Evan Wrote: it only gets worse from other angles
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Okay that's kinda nasty.
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I can't wait for the over-styled, cuts 'n angles, angry headlights design language to become extinct.

(08-23-2018, 09:07 PM)G.Irish Wrote: Better than the Miata?  You cray

Speaking of, I saw a ND RF the other day in black and that was a seriously good looking car.  

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ND RF :puke:. Looks so bad.

I honestly don't think the Z4 looks terrible but for sure does not look great. All of these manufacturer's are going for a pointed down, scrunched up look on the front end/hood. I get it for aero efficiency but they could at least make it nice looking...
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