Automotive News Discussion

[Sijray21]

I'm sure some of y'all have seen this but I'm still impressed. 



If TSLA hits $200 I say buy++. I'm not an expert, but I think they've got something serious with the Semis...

I lol'd @4:33

[JPolen01]

So Porsche says it will install 500 charging stations by end of 2019. Seems like an aggressive timeline, but okay. My question is this, are we going to see every OEM litter the country/world with their proprietary charging stations? Telsa has their own, there are DC Fast charging stations, and I believe one or two other types of charging stations. My old coworker that bought a Model X did buy an adaptor so he could charge at the generic charger at our building - it was slower than water running uphill however. I can't see how it is feasible to have every OEM charging station all over the country. 

Do we think there will be some kind of standard as electric car adoption becomes more common place?

[Senor_Taylor]

So Porsche says it will install 500 charging stations by end of 2019. Seems like an aggressive timeline, but okay. My question is this, are we going to see every OEM litter the country/world with their proprietary charging stations? Telsa has their own, there are DC Fast charging stations, and I believe one or two other types of charging stations. My old coworker that bought a Model X did buy an adaptor so he could charge at the generic charger at our building - it was slower than water running uphill however. I can't see how it is feasible to have every OEM charging station all over the country. 

Do we think there will be some kind of standard as electric car adoption becomes more common place?

Without either 1) Government intervention or 2) Some kind of agreement between Makers, I don't see it happening any different than computer cables in the 90s and 2000s. Eventually one will win out in the long run, but before then, it'll be painful. 


I'd bet a manufacturer would make a car that's capable of using all of the different styles of plugs before I see the makers settling on one standard one.

[BLINGMW]

I lol'd @4:33

Wow that's nuts 

[Eco_Boi_Stephen]

I think it would be best if these stations weren't owned by the auto manufacturers. Like Ford, Porsche and Chevy don't own the gas stations. That will create a norm faster than this bs

I also think that electric charging stations at gas station type locations is kinda perfect for the new age stores (most people own the store and make a good amount off of it). We're seeing an increase in gas stations that are more like mini walmarts with a restaurant attached. Longer charging times = more moneys for those guys at least.

Also I wonder how much money these garages and what not are making by installing the charging stations?

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[JPolen01]

Longer charging times = more moneys for those guys at least.

But that's not the case. Porsche says the chargers will charge to 80% in 20 minutes. I think Tesla is around 40 minutes for an 80% charge on a supercharger right now. The chargers are too expensive to be set up like a gas station IMO. They need to be in a parking lot with tons of chargers. Maybe it could work set up like this with a convenience store in the lot.

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Yeah gas station electric charging sounds miserable. At work and at home are ideal. Public lots and garages are also a good idea. Beyond that any private place that chooses to have them, should.

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[Eco_Boi_Stephen]

Longer charging times = more moneys for those guys at least.

But that's not the case. Porsche says the chargers will charge to 80% in 20 minutes. I think Tesla is around 40 minutes for an 80% charge on a supercharger right now. The chargers are too expensive to be set up like a gas station IMO. They need to be in a parking lot with tons of chargers. Maybe it could work set up like this with a convenience store in the lot.

Sorry maybe what I said was unclear. 20 minutes is still a decent amount of time. I'm not saying turn gas stations into charging stations but rather to have gas stations that also offer charging stations. The store owners would surely benefit from customers staying at a station for 20 minutes rather than just pumping gas and going. They make money off of sales in their store but from electricity used/gas pumped.

Charging stations are definitely a better fit for garages and places where you intend to leave your car for long periods of time.

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[Senor_Taylor]

Gas sales are volume based. The margins are small, if even non existent and stores make profit based on sales inside the store. (Sheetz sells at a loss occasionally).

An expensive charging station would not be offset by the small amount that someone is going to spend when they stop, and people aren't going to spend more than $5 on other things every time they charge.

Automakers have to build the stations since they are needed infrastructure to sell their cars. They are not making money on these, instead they're a necessary cost with getting the cars sold.

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[Eco_Boi_Stephen]

Longer charging times = more moneys for those guys at least.

But that's not the case. Porsche says the chargers will charge to 80% in 20 minutes. I think Tesla is around 40 minutes for an 80% charge on a supercharger right now. The chargers are too expensive to be set up like a gas station IMO. They need to be in a parking lot with tons of chargers. Maybe it could work set up like this with a convenience store in the lot.

Sorry maybe what I said was unclear. 20 minutes is still a decent amount of time. I'm not saying turn gas stations into charging stations but rather to have gas stations that also offer charging stations. The store owners would surely benefit from customers staying at a station for 20 minutes rather than just pumping gas and going. They make money off of sales in their store but from electricity used/gas pumped.

Charging stations are definitely a better fit for garages and places where you intend to leave your car for long periods of time.

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Gas sales are volume based. The margins are small, if even non existent and stores make profit based on sales inside the store. (Sheetz sells at a loss occasionally).

An expensive charging station would not be offset by the small amount that someone is going to spend when they stop, and people aren't going to spend more than $5 on other things every time they charge.

Automakers have to build the stations since they are needed infrastructure to sell their cars. They are not making money on these, instead they're a necessary cost with getting the cars sold.

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Are the gas stations the ones paying to install charging stations? I don't think that's how it is atm.

Are companies like Tesla basically renting that space for their charging stations?

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[JPolen01]

So it looks like VW & Walmart are working together to install electric car charging stations at 34 Walmarts throughout the US via their program, Electrify America.

The systems will have a capability of up to 350 kW for stations located along the highway, with metro locations having chargers ranging from 50-150 kW. And every station will have a CHAdeMO1 50 kW connector, “ensuring that all fast charging capable cars will be able to use the Electrify America stations, regardless of their charge point locations,” the press release said.

[BLINGMW]

Ford giving up on sedans in NA. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch....ctive/amp/

[ViPER1313]

Ford better hope gas stays low and that people don’t start looking at crossover ownership as the uncool mom choice the way people did with minivans. Really short sighted decision imo.

2008 caught GM with their pants down partly because they didn’t invest in their full lineup.

https://www.wired.com/2008/06/rising-gas-pric/

[BLINGMW]

As a previous and potential future investor, I think I like it. If they're right and gas prices do stay low, it's potentially a good move. And when gas prices do rise, we're probably all on electric cars then anyway and hopefully they'll be developing in the meantime?

[Ken]

So, how much more we think Focus RS prices are going to go up?

[rherold9]

Seems like a knee jerk reaction?

[G.Irish]

So, how much more we think Focus RS prices are going to go up?

None.  There are already a good number of new RS's piled up at dealerships and getting discounted.  Even if Ford decides not to make it again I don't think prices will go up.  Some dealers might try it but I think the demand is what it is right now.

[JPolen01]

Seems like a knee jerk reaction?

Highly unlikely with a decision like this. Plus it is no secret that sedan sales are falling sharply across all manufacturers. USA loves SUVs and Ford butters their bread with pickup and commercial fleet sales in the US.

[D_Eclipse9916]

Ford better hope gas stays low and that people don’t start looking at crossover ownership as the uncool mom choice the way people did with minivans. Really short sighted decision imo.

2008 caught GM with their pants down partly because they didn’t invest in their full lineup.

https://www.wired.com/2008/06/rising-gas-pric/

I think a lot of people didn’t read the article, just the headline. Crossovers are staying, they are just getting rid of “traditional” sedans.

[ViPER1313]

I did read the article. Tastes are cyclical. So are economic fortunes. Gas prices rise and fall. Ceding an entire part of the market to your competitors fucks you royally when the market changes. The big 3 were caught with their dicks in the wind in 2008 when people didn’t want SUVs.