Anthony Avino

[Senor_Taylor]

Oh this is perfect for club diversity!

Need more Toyotas :dunno:

[Stormtrooper135i]

Wanna trade engines
Glad to see another fellow N54er out there, not to mention a e90, which would be my 3 series of choice. Very clean!

[Stormtrooper135i]

Oh this is perfect for club diversity!

Of course it is! We have too many E36's around here and not enough neu-klasse BMWs

Gota love the E36, but its awesome seeing an increase in diversity (BMWs specifically) considering they're pumping out a new model every day!! Jake correct me if I am wrong, but every even number BMW will be a 2 door and every odd number (M3) from here on out will be four door. M3>M4

[SlimKlim]

That was the idea but it's not a strict rule. They set up the new 2-door models to be their own model entirely so the huge pricing gap between the 2 and 4 door versions of the same car make more sense when you don't call them the same car. Audi figured that one out with the A5.

Then, as far as I can tell, BMW seems determined to offer a product for every possibly vehicular niche for buyers looking to spend over $45k, to the point where they have overlapping models, so there are also 4-door sedans with even number models names that try to pass themselves off as "GranCoupes." Another oddly successful market segment they decided to get into after the Merc CLS and Audi A7 didn't fail.

It's stupid.

[Jake]

Jake correct me if I am wrong, but every even number BMW will be a 2 door and every odd number (M3) from here on out will be four door. M3>M4

As far as I'm concerned, the engineering and marketing guys over in Bavaria are hurling shit at the wall to see what sticks. I would love to have someone from BMW Corporate explain the difference between the 328i Touring, 328i GT, 428i GranCoupe and X3 28iXdrive.

Your theory is right, Pierce, but come join the rest of us confused masses who have no idea how the numbers really work.

[SlimKlim]

There's no great mystery to unravel. They're just trying to create as many different models to fill as many different niches as possible. Small coupe, small convertible, small 2-seater convertible, big coupe, big convertible, enormous coupe, sedan, prettier sedan, big sedan, big pretty sedan, enormous sedan, little crossover, little SUV, normal SUV, etc, etc etc.

They want every new car shopper with money to spend to consider their brand, so they are attempting to make something for everyone. If you just judge based on the number of X1s and leased 328i's in NOVA, then it must be working. They spent 40 years establishing a brand identity, and now they get to cash out on it by slapping it on whatever platform they please and charging a shit ton of money for it.

I can't tell if BMW has just gotten incredibly ridiculous with it's pricing, or if it just seems that way because I've never seriously considered purchasing a new or newish car where the price of option packages makes a significant difference in the total cost. However, seeing the ~$15k price gap between a 228i and GTI with comparable features almost turns me off of the brand all together.

RWD and a BMW badge is great, but it ain't worth $15k.

[Stormtrooper135i]

The lag isn't insane but even with a minor chip like the jb+ I feel like there should be little to no lag at all and unfortunately I can't justify spending $800 on a COBB right now.

COBB=No lag, just sounds off massive amounts of air being spooled and power whenever you need it

[Stormtrooper135i]

There's no great mystery to unravel. They're just trying to create as many different models to fill as many different niches as possible. Small coupe, small convertible, small 2-seater convertible, big coupe, big convertible, enormous coupe, sedan, prettier sedan, big sedan, big pretty sedan, enormous sedan, little crossover, little SUV, normal SUV, etc, etc etc.

They want every new car shopper with money to spend to consider their brand, so they are attempting to make something for everyone. If you just judge based on the number of X1s and leased 328i's in NOVA, then it must be working. They spent 40 years establishing a brand identity, and now they get to cash out on it by slapping it on whatever platform they please and charging a shit ton of money for it.

I can't tell if BMW has just gotten incredibly ridiculous with it's pricing, or if it just seems that way because I've never seriously considered purchasing a new or newish car where the price of option packages makes a significant difference in the total cost. However, seeing the ~$15k price gap between a 228i and GTI with comparable features almost turns me off of the brand all together.

RWD and a BMW badge is great, but it ain't worth $15k.

Its a BMW. Thats what you're paying for. A GTI, well, is simply another GTI. BMW over the last 15 years has developed/manufactured a car geared towards everyones taste and likings. Just my POV

[JustinG]

Hey welcome to the club. I hate BMWs, but welcome nonetheless

[SlimKlim]

Its a BMW. Thats what you're paying for. A GTI, well, is simply another GTI. BMW over the last 15 years has developed/manufactured a car geared towards everyones taste and likings. Just my POV

And a BMW is simply another BMW. I don't see the value of spending $15k more for a comparable model with a premium badge on it. It's not a BMW vs. VW thing, its a "premium brand" vs. "normal car" thing. I also don't think BMW should concern itself with making a car suited to everyone's likings and focus on a core lineup of exceptional cars like they did in the 90's and early 2000s. But that's just cause I'm a old curmudgeon.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a fanatic BMW owner for 6 years, just lately I've gotten disenchanted with them. Probably because I'm considering buying a new or newish car for the first time in my life, and I'm seeing pre-depreciation pricing gaps I never really thought about before.

When I bought my first BMW I was comparing a 2003 325i for $14k to a 2003 GTI for $12k. The BMW was obviously much "more car." Now that I'm looking for something basically new, I just don't see the value in them. Especially not in today's world where Kia's are nice cars and Hyundai makes an E-class killer.

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Well at least VW didn't forget that some people in the US STILL LIKE HATCHBACKS. Contrary to BMW's belief...