Expensive ass gas

[Mike]

i blame canada.

[G.Irish]

The point is not lost on the powers that be in top level motorsport. Several of the team principals in F1 (as well as people in the sanctioning body) and elsewhere have openly recognized that motorsport would benefit by embracing alternative fuel technology and pushing the development of it.

There was already a team that tried bio-diesel at Le Mans and I imagine that there'll be more alternative fuel entrants in the future. Personally I hope that the manufacturers and sanctioning bodies get together and push to get this stuff into motorsport and put in place an incentive for competitors to use it.

For a long time Chan and I have talked about having a 'Green Cup'. Basically a race series for alternative fuels. I don't know if we've ever agreed on a format, at one extreme you could have purpose built racecars like Formula 1, on the other end you could have production econo cars like the Prius and Civic Hybrid. At any rate I think the time for this to come to fruition is at hand.

[Maengelito]

For a long time Chan and I have talked about having a 'Green Cup'. Basically a race series for alternative fuels. I don't know if we've ever agreed on a format, at one extreme you could have purpose built racecars like Formula 1, on the other end you could have production econo cars like the Prius and Civic Hybrid. At any rate I think the time for this to come to fruition is at hand.

didnt you ever do CO2 powered cars in jr. high? i'd so win the green cup. unless mikey entered. cuz mikey rules.

[Andy]

Another point: ExxonMobil scored a record 36.1 billion dollars last year. DaimlerChrysler exec blasted oil industry for not actively attempting to increase gas supplies.

[Ryan T]

Another point: ExxonMobil scored a record 36.1 billion dollars last year. DaimlerChrysler exec blasted oil industry for not actively attempting to increase gas supplies.

DaimlerChrysler blasted them for not doing anything about gas supplies when auto makers did everything they could to not have to do anything about emissions or safety or anything like that.

[HAULN-SS]

*cough* o'doyle rules, actually

[Andy]

Another point: ExxonMobil scored a record 36.1 billion dollars last year. DaimlerChrysler exec blasted oil industry for not actively attempting to increase gas supplies.

DaimlerChrysler blasted them for not doing anything about gas supplies when auto makers did everything they could to not have to do anything about emissions or safety or anything like that.

Please don't make me defend automakers.

[Ryan T]

Another point: ExxonMobil scored a record 36.1 billion dollars last year. DaimlerChrysler exec blasted oil industry for not actively attempting to increase gas supplies.

DaimlerChrysler blasted them for not doing anything about gas supplies when auto makers did everything they could to not have to do anything about emissions or safety or anything like that.

Please don't make me defend automakers.

I'm not gonna make you do anything, just bringin both sides into the light.

[bassmangrammy]

All I can say is... I'm proud to be a Bush hating Republican.

[Rbadboy21]

All I can say is... I'm proud to be a Bush hating Republican.

[Mike]

For a long time Chan and I have talked about having a 'Green Cup'. Basically a race series for alternative fuels. I don't know if we've ever agreed on a format, at one extreme you could have purpose built racecars like Formula 1, on the other end you could have production econo cars like the Prius and Civic Hybrid. At any rate I think the time for this to come to fruition is at hand.

didnt you ever do CO2 powered cars in jr. high? i'd so win the green cup. unless mikey entered. cuz mikey rules.

don't you ever forget it.

[WRXtranceformed]

As long as the oil companies have their hand in every facet of our government, alternative energy will not become popular. The two are so intertwined (government and the oil industry) that it would take nothing short of a real worldwide crisis to change things.

The real problem, from what I understand, is not lack of supply, but lack of refineries. Why would oil companies fund the construction of more refineries for billions of dollars so that we can process crude oil into usable gas when they're seeing sick ass profits as is? I wouldn't do it either if I was an oil tycoon.

That is a crooked crooked fuckin industry man. And I'm not complaining one bit, because I own a bunch of stock in Texaco =p hahah

[Feersty]

As long as the oil companies have their hand in every facet of our government, alternative energy will not become popular. The two are so intertwined (government and the oil industry) that it would take nothing short of a real worldwide crisis to change things.

But down the road it is going to be ridiculously expensive to produce, so just by passage of time a new cheaper alternative will take its place. An alternative will take its place before it runs out so speak.

[WRXtranceformed]

As long as the oil companies have their hand in every facet of our government, alternative energy will not become popular. The two are so intertwined (government and the oil industry) that it would take nothing short of a real worldwide crisis to change things.

But down the road it is going to be ridiculously expensive to produce, so just by passage of time a new cheaper alternative will take its place. An alternative will take its place before it runs out so speak.

I hope it happens sooner rather than later. I'm just pessimistic about how soon, and I think I have a pretty good reason to feel that way, don't you think?

[G.Irish]

If the issue was purely about the fact that we will eventually run out of oil I wouldn't be that concerned because as Rob said the price will rise significantly as it becomes more and more difficult to mine oil and this will make alternative fuels cost competitive.

However there's the issue of what the CO2 will do to our climate in the meantime. A climate crisis may indeed arrive a lot sooner than the natural exhaustion of petroleum which will cost many, many different and much more dire problems.

On that front we're probably going to need to change our habits and lifestyle before we actually start experiencing significant negative consequences since it is so difficult to reverse ecological damage. People are already talking about it, some countries are already taking steps to address it, I just hope that the movement catches the critical momentum sooner rather than later.

[.RJ]

Gas wars?

See avatar.

[Ginger]

As long as the oil companies have their hand in every facet of our government, alternative energy will not become popular. The two are so intertwined (government and the oil industry) that it would take nothing short of a real worldwide crisis to change things.

But down the road it is going to be ridiculously expensive to produce, so just by passage of time a new cheaper alternative will take its place. An alternative will take its place before it runs out so speak.

I hope it happens sooner rather than later. I'm just pessimistic about how soon, and I think I have a pretty good reason to feel that way, don't you think?

That ignores economics, though. When gas become so expensive that you won't buy it en-masse you'll start seeing more and more alternative transportation. I drive a car that gets better gas mileage than almost every motorcycle on this forum, for example.

The government can circle jerk any oil company they want, but they can't force you to buy it and they can't legally bar all alternative energy sources (but watch out for the pesky rent-seekers and special interest groups). I've never been too concerned with this issue, and I won't until I start seeing alternative energy incentives disappear and get replaced with tariffs and penalties.

[Goodspeed]

Gas wars?

See avatar.

Max Rockatansky = my childhood hero

I just have one question though, dealing with this oil situation and what not. I've heard a few rumors here and there that both our world's automakers and oil companies actually have decent replacements in the works, and nothing hybrid or electric. Could this be true? I just can't see billion dollar oil companies allowing themselves to eventually go under, they MUST have something going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they milk fossil fuels for all its worth until they run out, then come out with "new-oil" or something that is chemically the same. Possible?

[JustinG]

Oil companies and auto manufacturers buy up almost every alternative fuel patent they can get their hands on, hell they even buy ones that arent remotely feasable incase that one genius kid figures it out. Then when oil goes to the shitter they make money of "Their" ingenius alternative fuel idea. Hence why all of their alternative fuel ideas are still "in the works" as you say, they will remain there until the market is in demand of them. its all simple economics.

[JackoliciousLegs]

haha he said "ass gas."

haha i saw that too