(03-15-2019, 12:14 PM)Evan Wrote: (03-14-2019, 03:12 PM)Apoc Wrote: I tend to think titles are meaningless as long as you're getting paid. I took a level/title cut in my last three company changes.
My wife and I joke about this , millennials seem to be really stuck on titles. She just managed to retain her most valuable employee with just a title bump and NO raise whatsoever
Personally I couldn't give three shits about my title. Pay and responsibilities are all that really matter. Are you not a millennial? (Born after 81)
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(03-15-2019, 12:14 PM)Evan Wrote: (03-14-2019, 03:12 PM)Apoc Wrote: I tend to think titles are meaningless as long as you're getting paid. I took a level/title cut in my last three company changes.
My wife and I joke about this , millennials seem to be really stuck on titles. She just managed to retain her most valuable employee with just a title bump and NO raise whatsoever
Personally I couldn't give three shits about my title. Pay and responsibilities are all that really matter.
This is so true, my previous client made everyone more than 3 years out of school the Director of somethingoranother, never seen so many directors with zero direct reports. But I guess its more important to be able to brag about your title over cocktails you can't afford...
On a semi serious note, part of this is because no one really talks about salary right? Its better to sound important than actually be important (and get paid accordingly) because you "can't" post your salary on linkedin... I got a bigger % bump this year than people who did get "promoted" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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(03-15-2019, 12:42 PM)DavidM Wrote: On a semi serious note, part of this is because no one really talks about salary right? Its better to sound important than actually be important (and get paid accordingly) because you "can't" post your salary on linkedin... I got a bigger % bump this year than people who did get "promoted" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it's age and not having enough experience to realize title means jack shit. I know early on I cared about title, but then I realized scope and span of control was what really played into career progression and salary.
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(03-15-2019, 12:22 PM)WRXtranceformed Wrote: Indeed, titles don't pay the bills
Good luck Deceus, it's a gutsy move but fortune favors the bold. Lucky for you, developers have like a 1-2% unemployment rate across the country and in the DC area or anywhere thereabouts in VA it's probably even lower. You'll land in a place that's worth it Yeah hopefully I don't regret it but I swim best when pushed into the deep end. Just hard to walk away from a cushy comfort zone sometimes. I have a couple months of savings stacked up and a part time gig. I'll actually be able to put good hours toward it without this job sucking the life out of me for 8 hours everyday. I find people (myself included) are willing to put up with so much unhappiness as long as they're comfortable. It's a hard trap to see and avoid.
I don't care for titles too much myself but I'd turn down just about any junior position offered to me right just based on how bad that'd look. I'd certainly do it for a place like Google but I had to turn down the chance to start on a new contract for my current company because it was a junior position demanding the experience of 2 mid-level developers. It was also way out in Ft Meade as well but the fact they were trying to squeeze that much into a junior position just screamed "we're gonna work you to death and pay you as little as we can get away with". I know HR likes to shoot for the moon but this wasn't even in the galaxy. But if Amazon/Google/Facebook wanted to treat me like a fresh college grad and put me at the bottom of the totem pole, I'd definitely jump at the opportunity. By all means teach me your ways.
(03-15-2019, 12:37 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: (03-15-2019, 12:14 PM)Evan Wrote: (03-14-2019, 03:12 PM)Apoc Wrote: I tend to think titles are meaningless as long as you're getting paid. I took a level/title cut in my last three company changes.
My wife and I joke about this , millennials seem to be really stuck on titles. She just managed to retain her most valuable employee with just a title bump and NO raise whatsoever
Personally I couldn't give three shits about my title. Pay and responsibilities are all that really matter. Are you not a millennial? (Born after 81)
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(03-15-2019, 12:58 PM)Deceus Wrote: I find people (myself included) are willing to put up with so much unhappiness as long as they're comfortable. It's a hard trap to see and avoid.
Someone asked somewhere about this and here you go. Change is scarier than unhappiness. I know I stayed too long in my last role at Amazon because the devil I knew was better than the devil I didn't (if I transferred internally).
Judging from your posts here, you seem like you know what you want and how to go after it. You might have to stretch yourself in various ways, but I think things will work our in your favor.
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Yeah man, bold move. Good that you have the savings and some supplemental income to be able to do it!
My recent move took away the "Manager" in my title (from Pricing Manager to Senior PTW Analyst) and my only concern there was whether I would still participate in the manager level bonus pool of up to 10% of salary. The title didn't mean much more than I had surpassed "Senior", I did not have a team or a single person reporting to me, I wasn't managing anything or anyone.
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Side note: bootcamps are highly overrated. I'm out $4200 and a week of PTO I could have cashed out. Apparently a week of "Fullstack + React" really means 3 days of HTML/CSS/JS, 4 hours of react and 2 hours of back-end work that apparently was just a bonus. They didn't even do a great job covering the stuff they did go over. The $12 HTML/CSS and $12 Modern JS course I took blew this "bootcamp" out of the water. I've had 2 weeks to get over it and I'm still pissed.
Lesson learned: if you want to learn something, teach yourself.
Which bootcamp was this?
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(03-18-2019, 05:14 PM)G.Irish Wrote: Which bootcamp was this?
Big Nerd Ranch. Their mobile development courses are pretty well known. I bought their book on Android development and it was pretty good. I seen they had a web dev course that was supposedly aimed at helping front-end developers transition into fullstack positions. Had I known they just rebranded their "Front-end Essentials" I wouldn't have committed to going at all. I was hoping to take a shortcut and possibly learn better than I could on my own. Judging by the composition of the class and how shallow the actual content was, I'm betting it's really aimed towards managers looking to blow their training budgets and spend a week away from home.
(03-18-2019, 06:59 PM)Deceus Wrote: it's really aimed towards managers looking to blow their training budgets and spend a week away from home.
You just described 95% of training courses.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
(03-18-2019, 07:40 PM).RJ Wrote: (03-18-2019, 06:59 PM)Deceus Wrote: it's really aimed towards managers looking to blow their training budgets and spend a week away from home.
You just described 95% of training courses.
+1...Just teach yourself by coming up with a project you want to do and do it.
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(03-18-2019, 07:40 PM).RJ Wrote: (03-18-2019, 06:59 PM)Deceus Wrote: it's really aimed towards managers looking to blow their training budgets and spend a week away from home.
You just described 95% of training courses.
People actually go to the courses? I just assumed they went to strip clubs and slept in, while eating and sleeping on the company dime.
At least, that's what I've heard. I have no personal experience with the matter.
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(03-18-2019, 07:43 PM)HAULN-SS Wrote: (03-18-2019, 07:40 PM).RJ Wrote: (03-18-2019, 06:59 PM)Deceus Wrote: it's really aimed towards managers looking to blow their training budgets and spend a week away from home.
You just described 95% of training courses.
+1...Just teach yourself by coming up with a project you want to do and do it.
Yeah, I'm currently plowing through a MERN stack tutorial. I'm gonna use it as a base for a meal planner application since I do that on a whiteboard from memory every week and it's a real pain. Highly recommend this dude to anyone looking to even dabble in any kind of web development: https://www.udemy.com/user/brad-traversy/ His $13 MERN course was a lot more inline with what I was expecting from a $4200 fullstack class.
I registered www.chriscastor.com and got some stuff on there for now but it definitely needs some finishing touches. Mainly just need to collapse the header options into a menu for mobile devices and I need to populate the projects section. It's really easy for me pick up the design portion because I have at least a faint idea of how I want things to look and act. I know nothing about the server-side and back-end so I was really hoping this course would hold my hand through it.
Not sure how many times I'm going to learn this lesson but professional and expensive does not always mean quality. Sometimes the only way forward is to just slog through the difficult shit yourself. Found some good remote leads on Stackoverflow jobs. May bite the bullet and look towards Richmond for stuff that's at least part time remote. I could maybe stomach that commute if it were just Tues/Thurs.
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(03-18-2019, 04:56 PM)Deceus Wrote: Side note: bootcamps are highly overrated. I'm out $4200 and a week of PTO I could have cashed out. Apparently a week of "Fullstack + React" really means 3 days of HTML/CSS/JS, 4 hours of react and 2 hours of back-end work that apparently was just a bonus. They didn't even do a great job covering the stuff they did go over. The $12 HTML/CSS and $12 Modern JS course I took blew this "bootcamp" out of the water. I've had 2 weeks to get over it and I'm still pissed.
Lesson learned: if you want to learn something, teach yourself.
shhiiiiit, you paid for it yourself? Yeah you aren't supposed to do that.
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Oh boy it's really happening. I'll officially be unemployed at the end of next week. I'm giving myself a full week to prepare and the Charlottesville recruiters 2-3 weeks to convince me that's the move since it's barely in commuting distance. I think my hail-mary plan is ultimately going to be Capital One. Probably not going to seriously consider that option until May but I just want to throw that out there since I know at least 1-2 people have mentioned being able to refer people. Also I'll probably need an apartment/room to make that work, so if anyone has one of those too let's talk if/when that comes around.
Almost think I'd prefer just crashing in Richmond during the week over driving to Charlottesville every day especially considering I'm still going to be consulting for this other company for a while. Not sure my girlfriend is gonna agree with me there.
If you are at the McLean office, you're welcome to crash on the couch for a bit. Don't have an actual room with a door but we're only 2 miles from both cap one offices.
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I did a phone screen with a recruiter today for an account manager role for a pretty large memory module company. Went well and they wanted me to interview. They emailed me and said I would be given an algebra test during the interview. What the hell? An algebra test for a sales role? I decided to turn them down among other reasons but that was a weird sign to me. Any have any experience with something like this? Just wondering why I would need algebra in a sales role.
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03-21-2019, 07:10 PM
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The finance jobs I've held have relied on some basic algebra (e.g. fixed and variable cost). Maybe they think sales need that finance familiarity to help them sell?
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03-21-2019, 08:53 PM
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Or they want technically inclined, smart people. Or they have an ingrained engineering culture (to me this is a good thing, maybe not to everyone)
Not everything in an interview has to map directly to your daily responsibilities.
Either way, an hour on Kahn Academy (not to be confused with Kaan Academy) would have prepped you for the interview. Seems silly to me to turn down a promising opportunity over an hour's time investment.
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