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[Senor_Taylor]

Good luck!

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[CaptainHenreh]

oh-HO. After writing an email asking for the names and email addresses of the hiring committee the following day, I get this after 2 weeks:

"Dear Henry: (I've used Rex in all our correspondence) 
 
Thanks for your interest in <Company>, and for discussing <Company>'s DevOps Engineer position with me.  After careful consideration, I regret to inform you that you were not selected to move forward in the staffing process.  
 
I am pleased that you are considering <Company> as a future employer, and encourage you to look at our career site at <fucknuts.com> to find other career opportunities of interest to you. Your career profile will remain in our system, and our Recruiting team may reach out to you if we find a position for which you could be a strong fit.
 
Thanks again for considering <Company> and its subsidiaries as part of your career search.


Sincerely,
 
Dickshit McGee"

[Apoc]

At least you got a form letter? I've been ghosted more than once, even by the same company. Fool me once...

[JPolen01]

Yeah that's about as much courtesy as you're going to get. That's pretty rare these days.

[Deceus]

oh-HO. After writing an email asking for the names and email addresses of the hiring committee the following day, I get this after 2 weeks:

"Dear Henry: (I've used Rex in all our correspondence) 
 
Thanks for your interest in <Company>, and for discussing <Company>'s DevOps Engineer position with me.  After careful consideration, I regret to inform you that you were not selected to move forward in the staffing process.  
 
I am pleased that you are considering <Company> as a future employer, and encourage you to look at our career site at <fucknuts.com> to find other career opportunities of interest to you. Your career profile will remain in our system, and our Recruiting team may reach out to you if we find a position for which you could be a strong fit.
 
Thanks again for considering <Company> and its subsidiaries as part of your career search.


Sincerely,
 
Dickshit McGee"

I got a similar letter as well that pretty much said "It's great that you have experience dealing with shitty customers/users aka the government but we're going to look for people with actual experience. REST APIs are just ssooooo technically complicated there's no way you could ever comprehend them without years of experience." (lol)

I don't really blame them for passing on me but I was hoping to at least take a crack at their take-home assessment. Considering the 3rd question out of the PM's mouth was "Sooooo what are your salary expectations?" tells me they were only entertaining this idea to save ~50k. The recruiters called to apologize though because apparently they were genuinely surprised to hear the news. Apparently the company's HR recruiting team wasn't super clear on what the exact role was going to be like but I did warn them that what they were selling this as wasn't matching up to the only opening I could find. No fucking wonder there's such a "shortage" of senior devs.

Junior position interviews:
"Holy shit, you have a degree AND a pulse. You're hired!"

Senior position interviews:
"Sorry sir, but we only use metric fasteners on this project and it says here on your resume you have only used SAE wrenches at your old position so we're gonna pass."

[Senor_Taylor]

If anyone know of any opportunities for someone trying to get into Product or Project Management making 80k+ with good hours (less than 45 a week with no lunch breaks) near Tyson's. Lmk.

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[Sully]

If anyone knows a entry level project management job working horrible hours. 50 to 70 hours per week for $35 to $50k near or around Richmond. Lmk.

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[Senor_Taylor]

If anyone knows a entry level project management job working horrible hours. 50 to 70 hours per week for $35 to $50k near or around Richmond. Lmk.

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[Jake]

If anyone know of any opportunities for someone trying to get into Product or Project Management making 80k+ with good hours (less than 45 a week with no lunch breaks) near Tyson's. Lmk.

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I'm sure there are some good opportunities between the Reston area, Tysons, and Arlington. None of those would be an awful commute. 

Some of my colleagues from my old job told me they are now restructuring the product roles at Gartner, so you may keep an eye on their careers site. If you see anything of note, let me know and I can try to refer you through them. Even with the new management, pay and hours were good (I left because of my direct management, who you'd not have to deal with now).

[Senor_Taylor]

If anyone know of any opportunities for someone trying to get into Product or Project Management making 80k+ with good hours (less than 45 a week with no lunch breaks) near Tyson's. Lmk.

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I'm sure there are some good opportunities between the Reston area, Tysons, and Arlington. None of those would be an awful commute. 

Some of my colleagues from my old job told me they are now restructuring the product roles at Gartner, so you may keep an eye on their careers site. If you see anything of note, let me know and I can try to refer you through them. Even with the new management, pay and hours were good (I left because of my direct management, who you'd not have to deal with now).

Thank, Jake! There's a slew of people leaving my team right now and I'm now the SME in a few large areas out of nowhere, which sounds cool, but isn't. The hours are the killer for me and I'm really looking forward to that lateral jump pay bump.

[Steve85]

Does anyone know of any Alumn currently working in law? I'm a Global Justice Studies and Arabic major looking to go to law school after undergrad and I'm currently searching for some internships.

I was just going back through this and must not have hit "Post Reply" before shutting my machine down or something...

I realize you're looking more towards law firm but I'm friends with the ADA here in Frederick County, VA and they do have internships. He's fighting for it to be paid which I guess it hasn't been in the past. It's not a firm but will get you in the building with the Judges.

Let me know if you're be interested and I'll get you guys connected.

[Evan]

If anyone know of any opportunities for someone trying to get into Product or Project Management making 80k+ with good hours (less than 45 a week with no lunch breaks) near Tyson's. Lmk.

When you dont give up on the degree you spent 4 years on just because you dont like your first job.

If this supposed to be about me, it's completely wrong

[Senor_Taylor]

If anyone know of any opportunities for someone trying to get into Product or Project Management making 80k+ with good hours (less than 45 a week with no lunch breaks) near Tyson's. Lmk.

When you dont give up on the degree you spent 4 years on just because you dont like your first job.

If this supposed to be about me, it's completely wrong

My degree was CIS so Product Management is my field. Being a software engineer is not the usual career path for a business major.

What point are you trying to make?

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[Evan]

CIS is no more "business major" than CS is ISAT major. And CIS is not a degree in management. Maybe CIS has changed from when I was there, there used to be a good amount of crossover CIS/CS classes in coding and development.
Whats my point? You ask questions about how people afford houses and make money. You have an opportunity to stay on a career vector that could be very lucrative but you are abandoning it to jump into the very large pool of junior project managers.
You do you, thats my last bit of advice on the topic.

[Senor_Taylor]

CIS is no more "business major" than CS is ISAT major. And CIS is not a degree in management. Maybe CIS has changed from when I was there, there used to be a good amount of crossover CIS/CS classes in coding and development.
Whats my point? You ask questions about how people afford houses and make money. You have an opportunity to stay on a career vector that could be very lucrative but you are abandoning it to jump into the very large pool of junior project managers.
You do you, thats my last bit of advice on the topic.

Thanks, I do appreciate the concern.

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[HAULN-SS]

I think what he's trying to say is Project managers, or really anyone with a specialized title, are some of the first to get laid off. A project I am on recently lost funding (for theoretically only one year), and the first to go were the "Program Manager" and "System integrator"..all devs kept their jobs. The two that went found something pretty quick to move on to, but they are now being forced to learn completely new projects, whereas the rest of us are just carrying on, but not have to do our own JIRA tasking.

[Apoc]

Learn something new? The horror!

Taylor - I moved to be a PM about two years ago. I don't know of anything for what's basically entry level, but I can tell you a PM with coding experience is highly sought after and hired as TPMs. At Amazon, they're in the same job family as engineers. Consider going down that path since you already seem to have a knack for coding.

[Evan]

Learn something new? The horror!

Taylor - I moved to be a PM about two years ago. I don't know of anything for what's basically entry level, but I can tell you a PM with coding experience is highly sought after and hired as TPMs. At Amazon, they're in the same job family as engineers. Consider going down that path since you already seem to have a knack for coding.

Technical PMs are a great career path, but one year as a tester doesn't make you a technical PM.
From a demand and compensation perspective, it would be much wiser long term to stay an engineer for at least 5 years, learn the ins and outs of delivering software, then make the jump to project management.
I know a few people who have done that (usually after 8-10 years though) and are very good PMs, and are paid as well or better than engineers. (though with that comes othe rthings like proposals, etc)

Of course, your personal goals may vary and I think ultimately thats the moral of the story here. Money isnt everything.

Personally Im in the reverse situation. I manage 50 engineers and 12 projects, and Im trying to take a step back from that so I can do some coding again.

[WRXtranceformed]

Or you can go into sales engineering and make more money than your current boss's boss

[.RJ]

Or you can go into sales engineering 

or you could just go slam your dick in a door, repeatedly.