Preventing school shootings

[HAULN-SS]

Look who said that.

Whats that supposed to mean half-wit? :roll:

Well, I mean...you're modding a van ;x

[Jeff]

U drive an automatic mullet car....I'm not sure who is worse off in the end.

[HAULN-SS]

hey! I'd take a mullet car over a mother's car any day of the week!

[Jeff]

Is that Mother or "Mutha' " as in "Samuel L Jackson says you's a Mutha"

[JustinG]

I'm pretty sure that in situations where both people in a conflict have a gun, it's much more likely that someone will end up dead instead of only missing their wallet.

If it a mugging, im pretty sure the perpetrator would be the one who ended up dead. How many thugs and gangstas have formal gun training compared to those with CC permits. Id like to see those stats. Im pretty sure it isnt in the double digit %, considering most muggers dont even know how to hold a gun right.....SINE DAY HOLD DEY GAT LIKE DIS YO.........

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Not attacking ya Hunter just my thoughts on that comment, now.........

I have been shooting guns since as long as i can remember. I still shoot guns, between me, my father, and my grandfather we could probably take over a small country with the amount of guns we have, including the Cannon my grandfather built . I will obtain my CC permit just because if i need it its there. I have no problem with lengthening the buying period of guns. I feel the laws are in place, enforcement needs to be bumped up, and dumbasses need to be taught from a young age to respect guns and their capabilities.

Numerous "City Folk" i know are always shocked to find out that i carry a pocket knife and own guns and shoot them. They say that a knife and guns are dangerous, i agree. But im not a dumbass and explain to them if your around them all your life you learn to respect them. I think this whole discussion is between "City Folk" and "Country folk", i fall in the latter. People ask why carry guns and we ask why not, why punish me for their doing. I love to shoot recreationally, and if i like the idea of if i have to defend myself I can group enough bullets at my target to stop them from moving.

The only reason this has come up is because of the tech shootings, it did for columbine. It will never be on anyones political agenda because the NRA owns alot of votes and Politicians want their votes, so in return guns are not on their platform.

I honestly dont know what this has to do with anything i just realized im rambling.

oh and Fuck cats, i hate em.....

[Kaan]

what part of this "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." did the law makers forget when they make me wait for my gun?

I waited no more than 10 minutes for my hand gun. Instead of making the wait longer... how about they figure out how to make it a complete full investigation and FAST? the "long" wait is to detur people from going out and getting a gun right away because they feel threatend... tell that to the girl thats getting stalked but doesnt know the guys name and cant file a restraining order... a restraining order that will protect her from what? is she going to give the bastard a paper cut or something? just running at the lip before i got to weld 140 feet worth of shit.

[Feersty]

Jack I think when you take away law abiding citizen's right to bear arms, you are slowly exhibiting more control over their actions and their independence.

We live in the Land Of The Free and The Home of The Brave. Our government trusts us with gun ownership, when that is abused or exploited, it gets taken away.

[JackoliciousLegs]

Jack I think when you take away law abiding citizen's right to bear arms, you are slowly exhibiting more control over their actions and their independence.

We live in the Land Of The Free and The Home of The Brave. Our government trusts us with gun ownership, when that is abused or exploited, it gets taken away.

Yes, Yes, and Yes. Ok. I think we're done with this one eh?

[CaptainHenreh]

Yes, Yes, and Yes. Ok. I think we're done with this one eh?

Jack surrenders?

[BLINGMW]

A slight change of direction. My opinion on gun control was stated by others. But on the topic of "Preventing School Shootings".

I agree with you Jack, not much has changed since Columbine. Since 9/11. We're all supposed to be "more aware" and apparently living in fear is the "plan". But why not be a bit more proactive. I think the school saying that it's really like a small city, trying to excuse themselves from being able to do much, is pretty lazy.

I agree, a single, motivated crazy person cannot be stopped. Couldn't we at least mitigate the damage without spending much? We have all gotten used to doing fire alarm drills, why not a "crazy guy loose on campus" drill? They have a fire system, they have PAs, they have air raid sirens! Couldn't we use a combination of those things, and tell people that when they hear whatever that is, stay the hell where you are, lock your doors. Opposite of a fire drill, that's it. Send out an email, have a drill now and then, no big deal. Now the crazy guy will still be able to kill someone, but maybe not quite so many people.

Go one step further? How about a short self defense class as part of a PE program? This should be done in high school and/or college, hell, PE is already a requirement. Basic self defense. A lot of women do something similar to avoid getting raped, why shouldn't we all? How to act when this or that is happening. Go practice putting out a fire. How you should act when you hear gunshots. How to disarm a guy with a pointy stick. Freaking rush a guy when he's reloading! Basically how to overcome fear to get something done before it gets worse. It's all common sense stuff if you have time to think about it, but if you don't practice it, you freeze when it actually happens. Low cost, high returns. There's no reason why most of us should go running and screaming when something goes down, hoping that the cops or Kaan shows up.

[Kaan]

Yes, Yes, and Yes. Ok. I think we're done with this one eh?

Jack surrenders?

say it aint so!?!?! ok what the hell happend anyway? we all behaved for 5 pages... and bascially stayed on topic? someone sticky this or something!

[JackoliciousLegs]

Yes, Yes, and Yes. Ok. I think we're done with this one eh?

Jack surrenders?

Don't be ridiculous.

Jack I think when you take away law abiding citizen's right to bear arms, you are slowly exhibiting more control over their actions and their independence.
We live in the Land Of The Free and The Home of The Brave. Our government trusts us with gun ownership, when that is abused or exploited, it gets taken away.

Yes, Yes, and Yes. Ok. I think we're done with this one eh?

I was just saying that feersty was stating the obvious. Yes, taking away law abiding citizens' right to bear arms, you're exhibiting more control over them. Yes, we live in the land of the free (although we don't get to do *anything* we want to). Yes, the govt should trust us with gun ownership, but when that right is abused, it should get taken away. (not entirely, just severely limited.)

[HAULN-SS]

I dont think *we* are abusing the right. A handful of quackjobs are.

[BLINGMW]

Yes, the govt should trust us with gun ownership, but when that right is abused, it should get taken away.

Let me fix that for you. WE, the people, give the GOVERNMENT permission to own guns. It is NOT the government's right to take them away from US. It is US that decides what they can and cannot do. Or at least that's how it's supposed to be dammit. Not the other way around.

[Kaan]

Yes, the govt should trust us with gun ownership, but when that right is abused, it should get taken away. (not entirely, just severely limited.)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

what part of that needs to be explained. IMO laws against magizine size, amount of guns you can own, types of guns you can own, etc are completely unconstitutional.

[Hunter]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is possible to change the constitution. I think the point to the argument whether or not that part of the constitution still applies today.

I think most people should be able to buy all the guns they want, but if a person has mental issue, is prone to violence, or raises other flags I think they should be stripped of that right. Just like how if you're convicted of a felony, you give up many of your rights.

[Kaan]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

... what part of that doesnt apply today? we are the longest lasting democracy in history... i might be making that up... but we have to be close.

I've read a TON of early american history books. Most of them being the published journals of the actual people that make our history books. from what i have read, they wanted to make sure that this government is always for the people and if it wasnt for the people to be able to empower themselves to change what is wrong... by any means.

[bimmerboodle]

It is possible to change the constitution. I think the point to the argument whether or not that part of the constitution still applies today.

The whole goddamn thing applies today. Every word. There will be trying times for sure but the framers sure did a pretty good job with that document.
Seriously...use the same logic on the 1st amendment, or the 4th... can you come to the same conclusion?

[Goodspeed]

It is possible to change the constitution. I think the point to the argument whether or not that part of the constitution still applies today.

The whole goddamn thing applies today. Every word. There will be trying times for sure but the framers sure did a pretty good job with that document. Seriously...use the same logic on the 1st amendment, or the 4th... can you come to the same conclusion?

What bothers me is that the 1st amendment seems to be largely ignored, but the 2nd and others are always stressed. For example, senators calling for the 10 commandments to be displayed in government buildings etc.

Also, what do state constitutions say about gun rights/laws? Since most laws are created and passed on the state level

[Hunter]

But can you really say you want anyone who wants a gun to be able to go out an purchase one with no restrictions?

My point is that we do infringe that constitutional right now with waiting periods, background checks, etc. I think Kaan, Sean, Jeff and other responsible gun owners rights should not be infringed at all, but we have to be careful who we apply the term "responsible gun owners" too. Should someone that has been known to stalk women and has been called "an imminent danger to himself and others because of mental illness" be allowed the same rights to purchase weapons as you guys?

I think that's a no. And I think we should continue to have an extensive screening process to purchase firearms, especially hand guns and assault rifles.

edit: Jeff drives a free candy van, someone should keep an eye on him.