2011 Evo X GSR

[Ken]

Yeah, I came to that conclusion a bit ago. i pretty much stick to here for questions, unless it's really specific to the car.

While this may be too specific, have any of you noticed in Mitsu transmissions that they are a bit "notchy"? I spoke with Joey and he said that was something he noticed but i just wanted to get a wider survey. I notice that, especially going into third, it's a bit notchy. I don't grind gears or anything it's just not as smooth as say 3-4 or 4-5. Could this just be from the way the previous driver drove it?

[D_Eclipse9916]

Yeah, I came to that conclusion a bit ago. i pretty much stick to here for questions, unless it's really specific to the car.

While this may be too specific, have any of you noticed in Mitsu transmissions that they are a bit "notchy"? I spoke with Joey and he said that was something he noticed but i just wanted to get a wider survey. I notice that, especially going into third, it's a bit notchy. I don't grind gears or anything it's just not as smooth as say 3-4 or 4-5. Could this just be from the way the previous driver drove it?

Mitsubishi's use a cable system, so it tends to be a bit notchy compared to a bmw per se. Just the name of the game, I actually prefer it over cars such as a honda civic that have horrendously rubbery/vague shifters. (s2000s have amazing shifters so not hating honda)

[JustinG]

^^^^What she said....

Throw in some metal shifter bushings, makes shifting ZOMG awesomeness

EDIT: Buy this stuff....or something similar.

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[ScottyB]

might see what mitsu guys find to be the hot ticket for tranny fluid. after changing out the OEM garbage in the scoob it shifted much better especially in winter.

[Jake]

might see what mitsu guys find to be the hot ticket for tranny fluid. after changing out the OEM garbage in the scoob it shifted much better especially in winter.

Yeah, same thing here. Notable difference on the Miata (which is very sensitive to trans fluid) and the E34.

[RawrImAMonster]

Yeah, I came to that conclusion a bit ago. i pretty much stick to here for questions, unless it's really specific to the car.

While this may be too specific, have any of you noticed in Mitsu transmissions that they are a bit "notchy"? I spoke with Joey and he said that was something he noticed but i just wanted to get a wider survey. I notice that, especially going into third, it's a bit notchy. I don't grind gears or anything it's just not as smooth as say 3-4 or 4-5. Could this just be from the way the previous driver drove it?

Mine does the same thing. They just aren't very smooth transmissions. However, they are still infinitely better than the garbage they put in the DSMs.

Does the new 2.0 in these provide enough torque for the weight of these cars? The one complaint I have with my 9 is that it doesn't have much in the way of low end torque and it's a few hundred pounds lighter than the 10's.

You'll be hard pressed to get any low end torque out of a turbo 4cyl. Solution = Anti-Lag :thumbup: I think the 4B11 bumped up overall torque by 10 ft lbs. So I would assume, low end torque on the 4B compared to the 4G is negligable. But the turbo spools faster then the one on your 4G.

I realize a turbo 2.0 is never going to have much torque out of boost, but I was just asking how it feels in the new chassis since it has a lot of extra weight. Even on mine, it can't take much of an incline before you have to be in boost to maintain speed.

[JustinG]

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Sent from my DROIDX

[Ken]

yeah, sorry, not sure i understand your question...


Anyway, had my first experience driving in bumper to bumper stop and go traffic on Friday. I left late partially to avoid it but as anyone who has ever driven the cross bronx will tell you, there never any guarantees with that godforsaken road. I left my house at 10 to head over to the girlfriend's in New Jersey, reached the cross bronx and so began my hellish 45 minute drive to cover roughly 2-3 miles. Keep in mind, although i have been driving to and from work, i only learned manual the previous Saturday with my last stallout being the sunday after.

All in all i suppose it could have been worse but god did i wish for my ol' twin clutch for all of those tedious 45 minutes. What made it even more fun was that there are hills and the car behind me found it to be a good idea to pretty much be in my backseat. I stalled out twice, but i consider that pretty good taking all things into consideration.

How do you guys normally drive in stop and go like that? Do you normally leave it in gear and just work the clutch and gas the whole time, or is that too hard on the clutch? I was pretty much just leaving space, going into first getting momentum then putting it into neutral and coasting to a stop. Or are both options okay and it's pretty much preference?

[JustinG]

Stop and go in a manual....leave in first gear, let out clutch and let the idle move the car, I don't even touch the gas, unless im on a hill.

[Jake]

How do you guys normally drive in stop and go like that? Do you normally leave it in gear and just work the clutch and gas the whole time, or is that too hard on the clutch? I was pretty much just leaving space, going into first getting momentum then putting it into neutral and coasting to a stop. Or are both options okay and it's pretty much preference?

It depends. If I get caught in traffic where we are moving ~30 feet at a time and then slowing but not stopping, I can usually get it going in 1st and keep just enough speed to prevent a stall... like 100 rpms higher than idle. If we are coming to actual stops, then I leave it in 1st and work the clutch the whole time. Don't slip it (i.e. standing on it halfway to help "creep") as you'll burn it up. It sucks for your left leg, but I'd rather be in gear if I need to gas it more and get moving, versus having to put the clutch in, get in gear, and then go.

Not sure how heavy your clutch pedal is. The BMW's is pretty hefty (no need for a leg press at the gym after ownership) so I have sympathy for you and your worse-than-NoVA traffic.

[ScottyB]

How do you guys normally drive in stop and go like that? Do you normally leave it in gear and just work the clutch and gas the whole time, or is that too hard on the clutch? I was pretty much just leaving space, going into first getting momentum then putting it into neutral and coasting to a stop. Or are both options okay and it's pretty much preference?

don't worry. it'll be second nature soon and your left calf will look like Arnie's. it will get to the point where you can let the clutch out at nearly idle and move along smoothly without having to rev the engine much at all. takes time :thumbup:

IMO - the clutch wants to be fully engaged as much as possible, either in gear or neutral. easier on your leg, the throwout bearing, clutch slave, friction disc, etc. so, i tend to drive with a "buffer" in traffic where i leave a big gap between the car in front of me, if possible (and we all know when you get a bunch of asses in one place everyone wants to duck into any opening they can find). this way i can just leave my car to slowly crawl forward in 1st, even if traffic ahead is changing speed slightly. or i'll let the clutch out in neutral if i can coast slowly or if i'm stopped for longer than a few seconds. this way i can avoid constantly slipping/disengaging/slipping which is just no fun, period.

the momentum/coast thing is fine if you're comfortable with it. it also depends on the car - for instance my driveline bushings are very soft, so if i'm speeding up/letting off alot in first in traffic, it bucks the car terribly. so if i'm not accelerating smoothly or holding a speed in 1st, i'm coasting in neutral.

[JustinG]

Stop and go in a manual....leave in first gear, let out clutch and let the idle move the car, I don't even touch the gas, unless im on a hill.

[Ken]

So had Snow tires mounted on Thursday, just in time for the 60 degree weather.... FML. Had them mounted on the stock wheels as i couldn't find a good enough deal on shit wheels to use for the winter. Have 235's on there instead of 245 so they're a smidge stretched, oh well.

Completely forgot just how much a difference they make, feels like i'm driving on sponges and they react accordingly to such a feeling. It better snow soon.

[ScottyB]

don't sweat having thinner tires on there. you actually want to run as narrow a snow tire as possible, so that it "cuts" down through the snow instead of floating on top of it.

how's the manual driving coming? i forgot to mention in my above post, but for the sake of encouragement i was so bad when i started i literally thought i wasn't physically able to drive a manual transmission. it took me much longer than most people to be decent. if i can do it, anyone can.

[SlimKlim]

i tend to drive with a "buffer" in traffic where i leave a big gap between the car in front of me, if possible (and we all know when you get a bunch of asses in one place everyone wants to duck into any opening they can find). this way i can just leave my car to slowly crawl forward in 1st, even if traffic ahead is changing speed slightly. or i'll let the clutch out in neutral if i can coast slowly or if i'm stopped for longer than a few seconds.

I missed this earlier but this is definitely the zen of driving in traffic. I "adjust my margins" so that when I'm moving I'm moving and when I'm stopped I'm stopped. I'm happier and the car is happier, if you ride your automatic brethren's bumper you'll be dancing in-out-in-out on the clutch and feathering the brake pedal the whole time, which gets rage inducing pretty quickly.

Anyway, just as I was considering not making the switch from summer to all-season this winter in order to save up money for a DD..... its snowing outside my office window right now. Sigh.

[Ken]

It's actually coming along very well thanks. I have dealt with so much traffic that i had no choice to learn quickly, my shifts are getting quicker when i need them to be and smoother when they need to be as well.

I hear you on the feeling like you're not able to do it, for a couple days (i didn't say a word to anyone) i legitimately thought i royally fucked up in my decision as i was so worried about driving i couldn't enjoy it. The only issues i still have are the following:

Reverse: No idea why, but i can't do it without letting the clutch slip. I think it's because it's just my nature to back out slow as hell and barely have my foot on the gas, even in an automatic. So i never really give enough gas to fully let off the clutch.

First Gear: Not really that bad an issue, i don't stall out and i've learned that i can actually start off slower than i thought but it the car is kinda jumpy out of first. From what i've read it seems that it's a trait for Evos? I'm also, for the other end of the spectrum, trying to learn how to get off the line quicker. Although apparently that has the same "jumpy" issue.

Hills: Fuck hills. Seriously. I have small ones by me so it's not that big a deal but everything by my GF is fucking double black diamond steep. I actually don't roll much, i just hate dealing with it lol.


Yeah, Joey, that's what I figured out pretty quickly. It was then i realized why all the sport cars i used to cut in front of always had space in front of them, and trucks. makes sense now. Oh, and send that snow my way. please and thank-you.

[Ken]

Oh, and on a side note i felt comfortable enough teaching my girlfriend how to drive. I went it to it thinking she was gonna screw it up to be honest, i figured if she grinded gears more than twice or stalled out too often i'd end the experiment. I only assumed that because every time i tried to explain how a manual worked or the concept of gears in car she didn't really get it.

Well, sumbitch, she took to it really well. Stalled out only once and seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Her only stall came because she thought she was in neutral, she had moved the shifter and mistook the slight movement to the side when you're in gear as the movement you get in neutral, and let out the clutch. All in all it went really well, spent about 45 minutes in the parking light driving around going from 1 to 3 as that's all the room would allow and then downshifting and stopping.

[SlimKlim]

It's actually coming along very well thanks. I have dealt with so much traffic that i had no choice to learn quickly, my shifts are getting quicker when i need them to be and smoother when they need to be as well.

I hear you on the feeling like you're not able to do it, for a couple days (i didn't say a word to anyone) i legitimately thought i royally fucked up in my decision as i was so worried about driving i couldn't enjoy it. The only issues i still have are the following:

Reverse: No idea why, but i can't do it without letting the clutch slip. I think it's because it's just my nature to back out slow as hell and barely have my foot on the gas, even in an automatic. So i never really give enough gas to fully let off the clutch.

Pretty normal unless I do it wrong too, half the time I just let the clutch out a little then coast backwards until I'm far enough out.

First Gear: Not really that bad an issue, i don't stall out and i've learned that i can actually start off slower than i thought but it the car is kinda jumpy out of first. From what i've read it seems that it's a trait for Evos? I'm also, for the other end of the spectrum, trying to learn how to get off the line quicker. Although apparently that has the same "jumpy" issue.

I think you have the unfortunate combination of a newer clutch with a light pedal and short travel, and a 5spd sports car with a shortish first gear. With that combination I'd expect it to be a little touchy/jumpy. Probably just a factor of your muscles getting used to the clutch. Just wait until someone clicks your seat forward on you and you can't drive right for a while because your muscle memory has to adjust. As far as taking off quickly (assuming you mean in the real world and not a 4 wheel burnout, there should be a sweet spot where you give a little more throttle, quickly engage the clutch and go to heavy throttle pretty smoothly (then wait for boost).

Hills: Fuck hills. Seriously. I have small ones by me so it's not that big a deal but everything by my GF is fucking double black diamond steep. I actually don't roll much, i just hate dealing with it lol.


Yeah, Joey, that's what I figured out pretty quickly. It was then i realized why all the sport cars i used to cut in front of always had space in front of them, and trucks. makes sense now. Oh, and send that snow my way. please and thank-you.

You can have it, shit still won't stop.

[JustinG]

Hills: Fuck hills. Seriously. I have small ones by me so it's not that big a deal but everything by my GF is fucking double black diamond steep. I actually don't roll much, i just hate dealing with it lol.

On hills, pull the ebrake up with release button pressed, then as you feel the clutch grab slowly let off the ebrake. That way you dont have to worry about rolling back or quickly shuffling your feet from gas to brake, brake to gas on steep inclines, cause your hand is the brake. I learned to master this craft when I frequented Charlottesville more often, where a stop sign would be at the top of a 90 degree hill. This will also come in handy when the asshole who doesn't realize there are still manual cars in the world, rolls up on your rear bumper within 2mm at a stop light/sign.

[Ken]

So, took her for the first long drive down to JMU this weekend. Couple things i noticed:

1. The Recaro's are surprisingly comfortable. Lately, especially, i've had a lot of back issues and i was expecting to be in pain after a 7 hour drive. Thankfully, there were none.

2. This car could REALLY use a 6th gear on the highway. I average about 22.5-23mpg on the way down doing about 75 at like 3500RPM. I mean, it was to be expected with the gas mileage but still.

3. I don't think i've ever had that many Hondas try to egg me on before. Ever. What is it with that?

Anyway, overall still loving the car. Thinking about trying to do a SRI like i did on the Ralliart, or get really crafty and try to make my own CAI, Joey i believe you did something similar?