80-89 Porsche

[Steve85]

Its downtown across from The Mill restaurant. Its a by appointment only deal. They have a GT3 cup and some other goodies in there. I spoke to the guy once...kinda a dick.

whats the difference between a porsche and a porcupine?

I thought that was a BMW?

[WRXtranceformed]

I mean honestly Steve, and bear in mind that I don't have any first hand Porsche knowledge, but I just feel like if you're looking for something that is "different" and that isn't a money pit... an old Porsche is just not really the way to go. There has never been anything cheap about those cars.

You can get sick deals on used C6s / Z06s now, why not go that route? You get the best of both worlds, an awesome power platform, a very capable track car, a much more comfortable ride, a WARRANTY... probably the only thing you're sacrificing is the seat space for your kids but I'd imagine that you have other vehicles for that.

[JustinG]

This car is being offered for local pick up only. BRING YOUR OWN WHEELS, NONE ARE INCLUDED - THOUGH I HAVE STOCK WHEELS ON NOW - YOU CAN TEST IT - BUT THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED. I DO HAVE SEVERAL SETS AVAILABLE - SEE MY OTHER AUCTIONS.

I assume the wheels are rare/expensive???

[Steve85]

What you're saying makes sense Lee, but a C5/C6/Z06 does lack the two most important aspects of what the next car needs to be and that is truly different and have more seats. I have had a Corvette for the better part of the last 15yrs, and I have really enjoyed it but there are too many cars out there to tie myself to one brand or style for much longer.

Buying any old car would be a money pit, and I guess I don't mind too much. Getting away for a few evenings in the garage is fun and good for me. I enjoy taking an old car and as things wear out, replace with something newer and better.

The other thing is the back seat. I can't tell you how many times we had stuff to do on the weekends and the Vette sat because there's no room for the kids. Taking them to the park, they love to go to Summit Point, picnics, birthday parties, the list goes on of lost opportunities to drive a fun car on the weekends. When we aren't doing those things, taking care of the house and a family in general doesn't allow for much get away. This is why I was looking into old muscle cars as well, but they are not track friendly, at all. (without serious mods). I'm not some big track guy, obviously, but I just want the option.

Believe me, it's tempting as I compare prices, but I fear a new Corvette will sit just like the old one.

[ViPER1313]

Sounds like you are looking for an SHO :lol:

[Mike]

or a typhoon.

[JustinG]

04+ Evo - the wing, Sti - the wing, G8 GT/GXP, E39 M5 I dunno what your price ranges are or if your even looking into sedans, but all 4 door with plenty of room and fun to be had.

[Goodspeed]

If I were you, I'd go for a 964/993/996. No real first hand experience here, I just read a lot about them and poke around the Porsche group whenever I'm at the track. At least until the end of the 993 Porsche did a great job at keeping the 911 driving dynamics and experience the same, so I see no real reason to go for an earlier car that will have more issues.

My favorite will always be the 993. Just look at how sexy this is.



Look.



Look I tell you.



Go....do....

[CaptainHenreh]

I'm with goodspeed on this one.

993's are my favorite.

[Maengelito]

I'm with goodspeed on this one.

993's are my favorite.

+2
the 996 headlights make the whole car look horrible in my opinion

[Dave]

I know nothing about porsche pricing, but I feel like Steve might be sticking with the earlier ones b/c they may be cheaper and are probably also simpler than the newer P-cars.

Justin does supply a list of decent performance cars with backseats though... Considering my short time with the E39 chassis, I bet the M5 is absolutely amazing with twice the power of my 525i.

[Steve85]

OK, I need to get up to speed on the designations 964/993/996 niner niner 10-4....That black one is definitely sick. What year is it?

The budget isn't set in stone but I expect it to be around 15K, less if I can find a decent "driver" nick here, ding there, that I won't shoot kids in the face for accidently hitting with a basketball. So yeah, older for price and simplicity.

I do like the cars in Justin's list but I was never drawn to them. This may sound stupid, but those would almost be too practical. It needs to be a car that I have a passion to experience.

[JustinG]

This may sound stupid, but those would almost be too practical. It needs to be a car that I have a passion to experience.

completely understandable

[Goodspeed]

OK, I need to get up to speed on the designations 964/993/996 niner niner 10-4....That black one is definitely sick. What year is it?

The budget isn't set in stone but I expect it to be around 15K, less if I can find a decent "driver" nick here, ding there, that I won't shoot kids in the face for accidently hitting with a basketball. So yeah, older for price and simplicity.

The black one is a 993 Carrera

964 - 1989 to Dec. 1993
993 - 1993 to 1998 (Turbo avail. 1995 on)
996 - 1999 to 2004

That kind of money should put you in a 964. 993's are often times more expensive than 996's. Low 20's would get you a higher mileage Carrera 2.

I know nothing about porsche pricing, but I feel like Steve might be sticking with the earlier ones b/c they may be cheaper and are probably also simpler than the newer P-cars.

Slippery road. The earlier cars might be cheaper, but what about cost of ownership? Ex. The 964's are cheaper than 993's, but they have a few major oil leaks, one needing all new lines at 3k+ dollars. Plus, all 3 generations I mentioned are air cooled, so its not like the 993 is really radically different or more complex than even a 930.

The 993's do pull a premium for their "last of" cred, styling, and musty Bavarian mystique, but I've hardly ever read of anything ever really being wrong with them, considering they represent the culmination of 30+ years of air cooled 911. Many will say their reliability is a part of that premium as well. Plus, they have unique features like Varioram and revised rear suspension that got rid of much of the lift off/power on oversteer that plagued ealier cars and made the 930 in particular a death trap. 996's can be picked up cheap as they've depreciated heavily since the 997, but early MY cars do have their issues as well.

Etc. etc. etc.

[.RJ]

$15k or less, look for a 911 SC - Probably earlier than the 964's (I think early to mid 80's?).

There's probably another thread for those on corner-carvers about those.

[Steve85]

$15k or less, look for a 911 SC - Probably earlier than the 964's (I think early to mid 80's?).

There's probably another thread for those on corner-carvers about those.

Exactly.
I've been searching 84-89, they seem to have a few changes from 83 like slightly bigger engine, 3.2, and better trans, G50 and few other things. I think I'll find what I'm looking for but the widebody cars that really do it for me seem to get a 10K premium.

Slippery road. The earlier cars might be cheaper, but what about entertainment of ownership?

It's all about perception :wink:

[ScottyB]

Slippery road. The earlier cars might be cheaper, but what about cost of ownership?

it is definitely a slippery one but i think like buying any german car, a solid PPI and good research beforehand can prevent many surprises. there's no getting around that any porsche part is going to carry a premium, same goes for service shops.

there are alot of things that the early cars have going for them that makes them a good bit cheaper to own and service. little things like 16 inch wheels, no complex engine tech, no power-this or that, minimal safety tidbits, etc. they're just alot more basic. not to mention the 80's models changed very little over their production life and share alot in common with the 70's models, whereas the later cars are not so common in parts sharing IIRC. so parts are cheaper and easier to find in that respect.

plus, for me personally, the 930s are just a bit more "dime a dozen" (as far as 911s go) and i think i'd be able to cope alot more with door dings and scratches and stuff...because if i had one, it would be driven 365 days a year.

[Evan]

the 993 has a wiring harness that tends to turns to dust. I wouldnt really call them dramatically more reliable than any other pcar. I dont look real hard, but every one I see for sale is over $30k

964 (89-93) was the first completely redone 911, so it would be good to try to grab one of those if you care about newer chassis technology. Although IMO they look really bland and lose that vintage 911 look though. (and lets face it, if you care about technology then why are you buying a car with the engine hung out over the bumper?)

personally for that budget Id probably go for a mid 80s Carrera. There were some nice upgrades in 87 like a g50 transmission
2nd choice would be a late 70s S or SC

[Steve85]

(and lets face it, if you care about technology then why are you buying a car with the engine hung out over the bumper?)

or driving a C4 for 10 years...although digital dash "I'm going 00011101MPH"

personally for that budget Id probably go for a mid 80s Carrera. There were some nice upgrades in 87 like a g50 transmission
2nd choice would be a late 70s S or SC

That's where I'm going to focus my attention (mid 80's) and try to narrow it down to a couple years.

Is it coincedence that I started driving in 1985 and that seems to be the era my "toys" are coming from? I guess that's why 60 year olds pay six figures for 60's muscle cars...

[WRXtranceformed]

Good deal?

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