For archival purposes.

[Jake]

Given the thread was posted and deleted in the span of several hours last week, figured I'd keep it posted for the sake of perspective, for those who are running for this next year's leadership roles.

[Senor_Taylor]

I am absolutely opposed to "co-positions." I know we don't like to think of ourselves as a very strict club, but I think we need at least some kind of structure. The best should be elected for each position. I feel like SWIFT decision making has not been a prominent thing lately and having co-officers would only make that worse. There needs to be some kind of hierarchy.

[SlimKlim]

We're not a very big club, nothing like a national frat or honor society, I really don't think adding positions will make the club more successful. In a club that seems to be strugging with successful, early planning and communication lately, I don't see how creating the opportunity for more internal strife will improve anything. The responsibilities of the officers can easily be carried out by four students, frankly we can and have gotten by with less for various reasons in the past.

The most important attributes to have in a successful MM officer in my own humble opinion are:

1.) Confidence in your authority, but a humble attitude. You're willing to hear everyone's opinions, but confident in your ability to make the final decision.
2.) A proactive attitude, a sucessful officer is never asked for status updates because he or she is the first one to think of it in the first place
3.) A sense of inclusion. As an officer you are responsible for recruiting new lifetime members into our weird little cult. You're in school for 4 or 5 years, but you're an MMer for life. Any "in crowd" fuckery to speak of will send potential members running for the hills. A freshman with a stock civic full of stupid questions about what kind of air filter to use should feel as welcome to the club and all of its resources as a senior with a 700hp 'stang. An officer should be the most approachable member of the group, because it's his or her job.

We're here to indoctrinate fledgling car freaks into the world of motorsports, and teach them how they can have safe & legal fun in their cars and not get themselves killed flying off the mountain doing a 33 run. To me that's always been the fundamental goal of the club.

Anyway, if we seek officers with those attributes, I don't see any reason why 4 officers isn't plenty to run our little club.

[SlimKlim]

Just another note on the "swiftness" thing, relating to preparing for large events like the Car Show. When it comes time to actually get the show set up, week of, and you guys are running around buying food and getting traffic barriers and stuff, there's no reason all of that work has to rest on the officers. You can always ask other members to pitch in as the show approaches.

As far as things like getting sponsors, that would fall under the longer-term responsibilities of the PR officer, and ideally should be taken care of long before the date of the show. Again, just because the PR officer holds the final responsibility doesn't mean he has to toil away on it in solitude. No reason not to ask the current students and alumni if they know of any awesome businesses that might be interested in participating in the show. But the PR officer is the one that should be making the phone calls.

[Senor_Taylor]

I completely 100% with Joey. I couldn't have said it better myself. Non-Officers have always stepped up whe needed. Shout out to Jack for being the bouncer at the gate and Indira and Naomi for grilling at the show!

[Senor_Taylor]

Thanks for yours as well, Anthony. You raised very good points.

[Jake]

+Millions to what Joey said. There is absolutely no reason why the club can't be run very, very well with four officers or less. It's how we (successfully) operated for years.

[*insertusernamehere*]

Agreed 100%


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[rherold9]

I'd like to say the point of the post wasn't to win a position, to fight others, or be afraid of running. I was honestly being serious about a new position. The fact in being if another officer that was an officer this year wasn't going to run for office, then I would help with how to do and set up things. I'd Also know when to plan, communicate, etc... but, since there was immediate backlash
there was no point of even keeping the thread open. So, for future reference don't try to run for another position it's a waste of time

Edit: my opinion still stands with what Anthony said. If it hasn't been given a try I don't see why there is so much hate. Obviously, there is and has been trouble with 4. Well tbh we hadn't a clue wtf we were doing at times and we figured it out whether it may not have been the best or the fastest it got done. Yeah, it should be better as officers want the best for the club and to please many as possible. Yes, I think there is a point to where too many is bad but, I don't see a problem with 5-6 officers right now as the club has grown and keeps growing whether co-positions or not. I understand your points though. I'd just hope in the future if there are two good officers running that they both can be an officer. May not be now, but just for later.

[JPolen01]

So, for future reference don't try to make up a new position without consulting others or the club bylaws

FTFY :thumbup:

[Jake]

since there was immediate backlash there was no point of even keeping the thread open.

I didn't realize my asking legitimate questions constituted "immediate backlash" but... okay.

[SlimKlim]

I'd like to say the point of the post wasn't to win a position, to fight others, or be afraid of running. I was honestly being serious about a new position. The fact in being if another officer that was an officer this year wasn't going to run for office, then I would help with how to do and set up things. I'd Also know when to plan, communicate, etc... but, since there was immediate backlash
there was no point of even keeping the thread open. So, for future reference don't try to run for another position it's a waste of time

Edit: my opinion still stands with what Anthony said. If it hasn't been given a try I don't see why there is so much hate. Obviously, there is and has been trouble with 4. Well tbh we hadn't a clue wtf we were doing at times and we figured it out whether it may not have been the best or the fastest it got done. Yeah, it should be better as officers want the best for the club and to please many as possible. Yes, I think there is a point to where too many is bad but, I don't see a problem with 5-6 officers right now as the club has grown and keeps growing whether co-positions or not. I understand your points though. I'd just hope in the future if there are two good officers running that they both can be an officer. May not be now, but just for later.

Whenever officers feel like they're over their heads, all they have to do is reach out to alumni who have been officers in the past, and they'll be more than happy to provide guidance on how things have been done. For whatever reason no one likes to be proactive and do that, and instead they wait until it's too late people are breathing down their necks.

Has the club grown? What's our count of current student members this year?

I stand by my statements. This is not a branch of a national frat, nor do we have hundreds and hundreds of members. Four passionate and hardworking officers are more than enough to run the club.

[rherold9]

The count when I just asked Anthony was around 40 members. I agree with you to a point. People always say they'll do this this and that, but half the time no one steps up to do it. 4 may not be enough in certain situations unless like you said students are willing to help out which do, but therr was this year people bitch saying the officers shouldn't be asking for students help. It just is never a win-win situation it seems like.

[*insertusernamehere*]

but therr was this year people bitch saying the officers shouldn't be asking for students help. It just is never a win-win situation it seems like.

When?

[rherold9]

but therr was this year people bitch saying the officers shouldn't be asking for students help. It just is never a win-win situation it seems like.

When?

I mean you were one of the people lol

[*insertusernamehere*]

So when?

[rherold9]

I mean if you really want me to I can scroll back all the way through the FB messages if it let's me do that but, that would probably take hours. End of Fall semester in November or December. Idk why you want to know when.

I can tell you I'm not the only one who saw this.

[*insertusernamehere*]

What's your point? Anytime I said anything along the lines of "you need to do it and not students" is when something needed to be planned. If you ask students all the time, well what do you want to do? Then why are you even an officer? If we're just gonna come up with all the ideas ourselves then we don't need you. What I wanted was someone or some people to just lay out a full plan of how something is going to go and then we can say what works and what doesn't.

Even though Taylor's parties aren't for MM (but we are always welcome) anymore he doesn't particularly do them on request. He had a Top Gear night, I don't believe it was on request. He just plans it, executes it and whoever shows up, shows up.

The reason why I asked when in the first place was because I do recall saying, what do you need us to do, around the time of the car show? and your response was along the lines of, i don't know whatever you wanna do. Thats useless to me. I'm not inside your head you have to tell me or us what you have to do and what you want someone else to do. Eventually students stood up and offered to do things.

By my understanding of the role of an officer - you can ask once or twice, maybe at the beginning of the year, ideas for what people want to do but then after that just do it. Don't look to us.

Did the mass email get sent out for the car show?

[rherold9]

So officers shouldn't ask what students want to see at the car show or when they want karting or where? Etc... no I think officers should ask and get people's opinions all the way through the semester. Yeah officers should have a plan, but they want others opinions too. You don't go off as an officer and just do what you want you ask others to make the final product better.

Also, they weren't that. People asked what we wanted people to help with. Yeah I said do what you'd like. I said that as we has most of it was covered and many people already were going to do certain things they asked. We then proceeded to ask individuals to do things that needed to be done.

[*insertusernamehere*]

So officers shouldn't ask what students want to see at the car show or when they want karting or where? Etc... no I think officers should ask and get people's opinions all the way through the semester. Yeah officers should have a plan, but they want others opinions too. You don't go off as an officer and just do what you want you ask others to make the final product better.

You already know. There's nothing to fucking ask. Even in the elections thread is the same things said over and over that we're trying to improve on. There's nothing to ask. Choose something, set a date, and do it. I don't even recall being asked what we wanted to have at the car show. I suppose a thread was started but there was no plan. However, I remember asking if we were gonna have certain things at the car show cause the information wasn't offered to me. The answers to that by the way were no, no more race car nascar simulation thing and no more truck ramp. And actually if some of the things had been planned earlier and we were able to receive dates for big events early on before people fill their calendars, you wouldn't even need to have much deliberation on dates. If its set 2-3 months in advance and people want to go they will make time for it. You can make the decision as an officer early on without such extensive input. Actually.... its just as joey said quite beautifully

1.) Confidence in your authority, but a humble attitude. You're willing to hear everyone's opinions, but confident in your ability to make the final decision.

You still get feedback yes (you need it, in fact), but you roll up with a game plan ready to be signed off on, that may need minor adjustments based on said feedback. I don't know if we ever got that.

At least thats what I intend to do, as said in my elections thread: " We should also take it upon ourselves to present the club members with full and detailed plans that are open for discussion and adjustment as necessary by the group as a whole. I have learned from the past that having too many brains brainstorming at the same time = a wreck. So I would love to have a plan ready for action that we can receive feedback on"