Took the S2000 to the strip.

[.RJ]

Not liking how a car looks or the overall styling because of its age is egotistical?

You're taking it out of context. I brought up track cars, you called them shitboxes and said you wouldnt drive one. I did not say "daily driver cars". My entire point stemmed from the fact that an expensive, 300hp car on the track for a novice driver is one hell of a liability in both their ability to learn and their financial well being. If you take it on track you need to be prepared to have the car come off the track on a rollback and sent to the junkyard. It doesnt happen often, but on average I see 2 a weekend. Some can be fixed, some are write offs. Its part of the risk.

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[.RJ]

"Red mist" is when a driver gets so caught up in the adrenaline and testoterone of going fast and/or chasing someone down that target fixation, overdriving, and recklessness are the result. This obviously leads to crashes (Exhibit A: RJ).

Pffft I only crashed once!

Just because I like to mow a little grass here and there......

[WRXtranceformed]

Yeah, I appreciate the candid, non-confrontational responses G ^_^

Like I said, I definitely see the point you're making. Who's to say whether I'd learn faster in a car I've driven for over a year and on a traction system I've driven since I began driving or another lower powered car I'd have to relearn. I really have no clue heh.

I'd prefer not to spend money on it to find out is the thing. If someone lends me their track car to fuck around in I suppose I'd give it a try, but no chance I'd spend $4,500 on a car I don't like.

[G.Irish]

Not liking how a car looks or the overall styling because of its age is egotistical?

K!

No what he's getting at is a little more esoteric. At this point with our driving we're just using the car as a tool for achieving speed and enjoyment of that speed without being poor. What he means is, don't have too much of the self image tied up in what you drive. How much is too much? As long as serious negative consequences don't come to you as a result of your decision.

Now of course he's saying that and he's the guy who dropped cash on a JDM Honda steering wheel for his blinging homologation special Hype-R. Personally

[WRXtranceformed]

Not liking how a car looks or the overall styling because of its age is egotistical?

You're taking it out of context. I brought up track cars, you called them shitboxes and said you wouldnt drive one. I did not say "daily driver cars". My entire point stemmed from the fact that an expensive, 300hp car on the track for a novice driver is one hell of a liability in both their ability to learn and their financial well being. If you take it on track you need to be prepared to have the car come off the track on a rollback and sent to the junkyard. It doesnt happen often, but on average I see 2 a weekend. Some can be fixed, some are write offs. Its part of the risk.

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You said my comment was egotistical, that's what I was responding to. They're shitboxes to me because I don't like them, I wouldn't put too much weight in my use of "shitbox" =p

And I definitely understood the point you're making, I'm still not seeing how what I said was egotistical though.

[WRXtranceformed]

I wanted to break 625 posts tonight, but I don't see it happening *frowning face*

[.RJ]

Now of course he's saying that and he's the guy who dropped cash on a JDM Honda steering wheel for his blinging homologation special Hype-R. Personally

It was cheaper than a sparco wheel...

[WRXtranceformed]

36 minutes past my bedtime.






I hate waking up before sunrise =(

[WRXtranceformed]

Very off-topic:

Did anyone see the Indy race in Cali on ESPN HD on Sunday? How sweet was that! I'm a big fan of the split screen of the race vs. the commercial during commercial breaks.

[WRXtranceformed]

AND

I fell asleep on the keyboard. Boy I don't miss my days of intarwebbing. Although sometimes I reminisce on the hazy, cracked out days/nights I spent on Everquest.

zzzzz

[Evan]

No, i'm not playing a semantics game, i'm being completely and bluntly honest. High HP and AWD hides a lot of mistakes and you arent growing much as a driver because of this. It becomes a crutch.

hey! I represent that remark! I turned out an ok driver after learning on awd!!

[.RJ]

just to cook your noodle a bit.... think how much faster you'd be in your WRX after applying the skills you've honed in your 63 whp miata......

[Evan]

I understand where Lee is coming from.
To us, a car is a tool. The end goal is the racing/track So getting the cheapest and most efficient tool for the job is the best decision. For Lee, its more of an overall experience. Not just getting on the track, but getting his car on the track. Maybe after a while he will fall in love more with the activity than the vehicle, at which time he may buy a cheaper track car, who knows. Thats kind of how it happened for me.
But he has to get his ass to the track first anyway! (no more excuses ricer! )


And RJ, dont forget that the ITR was not the smartest car to track either, but you loved it, and you wanted to track it. Not a bad thing.
i had a passion for tracking my WRX and sometimes I miss it. I was just in love with the car, I like the miata and Ive grown to like it more but its just not quite the same all the time.

[Evan]

just to cook your noodle a bit.... think how much faster you'd be in your WRX after applying the skills you've honed in your 63 whp miata......

yes. I know. And fuckin shit I rolled a lot of stuff back then. I would be unstoppable now! :twisted:

ah well....

onwards and upwards to racing. no more cock slapping in DEs.....

[.RJ]

And RJ, dont forget that the ITR was not the smartest car to track either

Buy ITR, track it for a year and put 4,000 track/10,000 street miles on it.... and then sell it for what you paid for it. Brilliant!

Also, at the time I already had a few years experience in much slower shitboxes...

[ScottyB]

could someone make this thread a sticky please? it's a good argument that i imagine we'll see alot of as membership and MM prescense on-track increases.

i'm kind of in Lee's boat right now. i too have a turbo, awd car that is slow right now but will eventually be faster. at some point coming up soon i have to ask myself whether to risk tracking my DD in whatever stage of tune its in, or buy a beater and start with a car i'm unfamiliar with.

[Evan]

in hindsight perhaps it was not a bad move, but it could have ended up just as bad as anything high hp and awd.

but Lee, you definately need to come out to the track and get a couple rides. Ask anyone who has ridden with me in my miata if it isnt an absolute blast. Even from the passenger seat. (and its much more fun from the drivers seat)

[JackoliciousLegs]

I also don't approach a new challenge like that negatively, aka "surviving the session."

You havent been on a racetrack in a 300+ hp car before then.

You haven't been on a racetrack with RJ before...

[Feersty]

And RJ, dont forget that the ITR was not the smartest car to track either

Buy ITR, track it for a year and put 4,000 track/10,000 street miles on it.... and then sell it for what you paid for it. Brilliant!

No Shit! hock:

[Mike]

Invest in your skills as a driver, not the car. That will carry you much further in learning how to be a better driver - trust me, the car will not carry you very far at all.

how many times have we been over this? he's not going to change in his ways. some people would rather drive a fast car than be a fast or good driver. it's an image thing.