For all you haters...

[navin]

I like Mac's because they loook tiiiite y0!

[HAULN-SS]

the reason they dont have viruses and spyware is because developers dont write spyware and viruses for them. Not enough people use them to make spyware productive, and viruses dont cause enough chaos to get it on the news

[bassmangrammy]

Well...I must have gotten lucky with good systems. I've never had an Adobe Suite App lock up. But...yeah...whatever. Evan...it's not the computer that we get up in the morning for, it's the drive to the computer.

[Seantn1k]

Apples are great, and if could look beyond your problems having your favorite games to play you could understand a Mac's significance to a wide variety of media based editing.

IF the underlying OS that you speak so highly of isn't up to your standards, put Linux on it! :twisted: And if you STILL have problems, who told you throw away your PC?!

And besides, you know you want to do cool stuff like this:
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Don't tell me you don't want one of these:
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When I can afford one I plan on buying one, why you ask? Because I'm all about the simple pleasures of having a system that is insanely easy to fix, hardware or software. :twisted:

Sean

[ViPER1313]

Apples are great, and if could look beyond your problems having your favorite games to play you could understand a Mac's significance to a wide variety of media based editing.

They are no more significant than PCs.

IF the underlying OS that you speak so highly of isn't up to your standards, put Linux on it! :twisted: And if you STILL have problems, who told you throw away your PC?!

I can put linux on my PC too. It's not about the OS, MacOS is really easy to use, nor is it about the stability. It's about being able to do more things at a faster pace on a PC, and save money to boot.

And besides, you know you want to do cool stuff like this:
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No, I don't, and what does case modding have to do with PC vs. Mac architecture??

Don't tell me you don't want one of these:
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I don't want one of those.

When I can afford one I plan on buying one, why you ask? Because I'm all about the simple pleasures of having a system that is insanely easy to fix, hardware or software. :twisted:

It is no easier to fix a hardware failure on a Mac then it is on a PC (both are insanely easy - the cramped case architectures of most Macs limit your upgrade possibilities though.) As for software I can't say, although I don't see how inserting a WinXP disc into a machine, rebooting it and then reinstalling the OS is hard.

[Seantn1k]

Apples are great, and if could
look beyond your problems having your favorite games to play you could
understand a Mac's significance to a wide variety of media based
editing.

They are no more significant than PCs.

Have you ever used a Mac for video compression? How about any three
dimensional rendering? Have you ever used a Mac all that often?

IF the underlying OS that you speak so highly of
isn't up to your standards, put Linux on it! :twisted: And if you
STILL have problems, who told you throw away your PC?!

I can put linux on my PC too. It's not about the OS, MacOS is really
easy to use, nor is it about the stability. It's about being able to
do more things at a faster pace on a PC, and save money to
boot.

Yes the Mac has a completely difference architecture from a PC and
that's what makes it unique. Fast pace? I've made Macs process far
more commands than I have been able with any Windows PC (outside of
Linux). The system is foolproof for end users, saving them from
poking around hardware properties and causing their computer to fail. Mac
recovers from that providing instructions for everything. You have no
idea how many times I've had to fix computers from end users where
the user has accidentally started playing with components because they
thought they could "fix their comp".

And besides, you know you want to do cool stuff like this:
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No, I don't, and what does case modding have to do with PC vs. Mac
architecture??

The simplicity of doing something that almost no one would do! PC's
come in all sorts of different forms that are easy to make! Modifying
Mac's is something that is rare and unique unlike PC cases/components
that you can get in any size or shape. Even if you have a guy make a different case/style of PC it's all been done before.

Don't tell me you don't want one of these:
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I don't want one of those.

Well obviously you have never used one before, and obviously taste isn't in your vocabulary.

When I can afford one I plan on buying one, why you
ask? Because I'm all about the simple pleasures of having a system
that is insanely easy to fix, hardware or software. :twisted:

It is no easier to fix a hardware failure on a Mac then it is on a PC
(both are insanely easy - the cramped case architectures of most Macs
limit your upgrade possibilities though.) As for software I can't say,
although I don't see how inserting a WinXP disc into a machine,
rebooting it and then reinstalling the OS is hard.

Yes tell that to an end user. If you have a laptop then hardware repairs are difficult as it is, no matter what manufacturer. Cramped? have you been inside of most newer slim line PC's? Some rival laptops! Mac's can be difficult in some cases, but they are usually so streamlined that an end user wouldn't have problems removing and replacing parts. If you enjoy reinstalling XP every time you have a problem that's your prerogative. However Mac OS discs can repair the system without having catastrophic errors or reformats, and end users can figure it out easily.

[ScottyB]

this is worse than ford vs. chevy rabble.

[.RJ]

haha, you said rabble.

[G.Irish]

Ford vs Chevy
Honda vs Toyota
Boost vs NA
Democrats vs Republicans
Apple vs Mac

Ah the great MM flame wars...

[Evan]

RJ's Mom vs. Maeng's Mom

[ViPER1313]

Have you ever used a Mac for video compression? How about any three
dimensional rendering? Have you ever used a Mac all that often?

I have never used a Mac to do it, but I have messed around with Maya and 3dStudio Max, and have spent considerable time editing audio and video (Photoshop, Premiere.) I don't need to use the Mac to see verified, professional benchmarks that say a PC can do it faster.

Yes the Mac has a completely difference architecture from a PC and
that's what makes it unique. Fast pace? I've made Macs process far
more commands than I have been able with any Windows PC (outside of
Linux). The system is foolproof for end users, saving them from
poking around hardware properties and causing their computer to fail. Mac
recovers from that providing instructions for everything. You have no
idea how many times I've had to fix computers from end users where
the user has accidentally started playing with components because they
thought they could "fix their comp".

The other side of that argument is that power users are unable to tweak the system to the extent that they would like. Any end user who messes with hardware properties in the BIOS or the Windows control panel better know what he or she is doing, and there are warnings everywhere stating "if you don't know what you are doing, leave this alone." PCs give you choice - choice of hardware vendors, OS, and user end software. What do you mean by "process more commands?"

The simplicity of doing something that almost no one would do! PC's
come in all sorts of different forms that are easy to make! Modifying
Mac's is something that is rare and unique unlike PC cases/components
that you can get in any size or shape. Even if you have a guy make a different case/style of PC it's all been done before.

I have no idea what you are trying to get at. Because PCs are easy to make unique it makes them not unique at all and less desirable?

Well obviously you have never used one before, and obviously taste isn't in your vocabulary.

I stated a simple fact, and implying that i have no taste / am tasteless in my remarks doesn't change the fact that I have no desire to own a iMac G5 - I would much rather have a new Athlon64 system (or a new suspension for the SHO :twisted: )

Yes tell that to an end user. If you have a laptop then hardware repairs are difficult as it is, no matter what manufacturer. Cramped? have you been inside of most newer slim line PC's? Some rival laptops! Mac's can be difficult in some cases, but they are usually so streamlined that an end user wouldn't have problems removing and replacing parts. If you enjoy reinstalling XP every time you have a problem that's your prerogative. However Mac OS discs can repair the system without having catastrophic errors or reformats, and end users can figure it out easily.

Most PCs aren't slimelines, they are midsize ATX desktops. It was quite a pain when I helped upgrade my neighbors G4 desktop IIRC. If a user has a problem with his XP installation he can easily use the standard system rollback feature to undo what caused his system to fail - I was talking about a catastrophic system failure. There are also 1000s of diagnostic tools available to end users to help troubleshoot software issues on their Windows installs.

[Mike]

RJ's Mom vs. Maeng's Mom

damn, i was gonna say that before i saw you already did.

[Seantn1k]

Yes the Mac has a completely difference architecture from a PC and
that's what makes it unique. Fast pace? I've made Macs process far
more commands than I have been able with any Windows PC (outside of
Linux). The system is foolproof for end users, saving them from
poking around hardware properties and causing their computer to fail. Mac
recovers from that providing instructions for everything. You have no
idea how many times I've had to fix computers from end users where
the user has accidentally started playing with components because they
thought they could "fix their comp".

The other side of that argument is that power users are unable to tweak the system to the extent that they would like. Any end user who messes with hardware properties in the BIOS or the Windows control panel better know what he or she is doing, and there are warnings everywhere stating "if you don't know what you are doing, leave this alone." PCs give you choice - choice of hardware vendors, OS, and user end software. What do you mean by "process more commands?"

Since I'm obviously in the minority for the love of Macintosh, here is my last rebut.

Ask yourself one question, why is it that PC manufacturers have taken so long to move to a RISC based processor? The strategy of micro-processing in RISC has been a major controversy for sometime now in the eyes of PC based manufacturers. However Macintosh had embraced that style since the very beginnings of the RISC architecture's existence. RISC processors have been benchmarked time and again, and with each test RISC processors have proven to clock more commands per second when put to a comparison to CISC processors. CISC requires far more instruction in terms of programming at the machine level language by comparison to RISC. In the minds of electrical engineers, CISC is considered to be an outdated architecture that was intended to be replaced by the RISC chips. Though in the hearts of many Mac owners, RISC processors were always the standard of computing.

So would it be so hard to have a fruit that is different from the rest? It promises to be simple, strong, and above all appealing to the palette. A fruit that has stemmed from a branch linked to the future. With such an insight, wouldn't you want to just take one bite? :wink:

Sean

oh and I agree:

Most PCs aren't slimelines

[CaptainHenreh]

In my opinion, for what it's worth, for the average, day-to-day user, I say Macintosh. As a matter of fact, I'd like to find an older blueberry iMac just to surf the web and word/web process with.

And yes, a Macintosh hardware failure *is* easier to deal with than a PC one. The gap of ease is narrowing with every windows release, but the fact still stands that Apple makes Apple parts. You can't buy a part that "won't play nice" with a Mac. It's quite easy, on the other hand, to do the same with Windows.

Now, I use windows every day. I like it. Me and Windows have an understanding. But I think Macintoshes, for most users, perform smashingly and reliably for anything the average person would need.

And there's no denying that Macs are more stylish than most PC's.

Now, if we're going to have a CISC/RISC argument, I think we ought to put it in another thread. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. Yes, RISC chips are faster, but processes per second aren't everything with processors.

[Dave]

ahhhh, my head asplode!!
stupid compter geeks

[Mike]

processes per second aren't everything with processors.

yep, that is why my athlon xp 2100 (overclocked to 2GHz of course) runs far better than a 2GHz P4 :-)

[Evan]

let the argument go. seriously. *cough*sean*cough*
people use computers that fit their needs. For some thats mac, for some that PC.

Its not a fucking religion.

[JackoliciousLegs]

oh. yeah. and the thread was about ipods