Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!)

[Kaan]

what Rex said.  surprise, everything went exactly as predicted, nobody's mind is changed, carry on.

It's just the dems being gracious and returning the favor

IMO they've got a bit more to work with than the R's did with Billy Free-willy and his dick shenanigans.

as Lindsey "I bet ya'll forgot I used to have principles" Graham said quite eloquently in '99:
“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” the politician said. “Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

and by that judgement the house really had no other choice than to act as they have when presented with such an amazing trashfire of misconduct being dumped onto their lawns on a daily basis over the last 3 years.  

what's sad to me isn't how the D's voted, its how the R's did...or did not, actually.  all sold out to the mob mentality.  thanks for upholding your oath to the constitution you cowardly shitbags.

okay, outside the 3 years part... all this shit applied to slick willie AND it was still a partisan vote (then and now) SO... the middle is the answer. period.

Pappa Joe is still running for President after all the crap that's come out on him... modern politics is a wash with corruption but people still think the traditional L v. R/D v. R is good to go... be angry but don't let it hold you back, push for something better.

[.RJ]

okay, outside the 3 years part... all this shit applied to slick willie AND it was still a partisan vote (then and now) SO... the middle is the answer. period.

I wont argue that willie was an honorable person (smoke and fire and all that) but he at least tried to put forth the facade of honoring the white house and the office of the POTUS.

Biden is like the belligerent drunk uncle at thansksgiving right now, Bernie is a whacko and Mayor pete seems to be lacking in a bit of substance. I have lost hope that team D will come up with anything better between now and November.

[ScottyB]

okay, outside the 3 years part... all this shit applied to slick willie AND it was still a partisan vote (then and now) SO... the middle is the answer. period.

yeah don't get me wrong, i've got no love for either party. and in both cases, Willy/Drumpf has deserved their impeachment. i was just saying Trump's transgressions are incredibly overwhelming comparitively, so its not surprising that anybody took him to task on it.

and yeah, everything RJ said. pepperidge farm remembers.

[CaptainHenreh]

okay, outside the 3 years part... all this shit applied to slick willie AND it was still a partisan vote (then and now) SO... the middle is the answer. period.

I wont argue that willie was an honorable person (smoke and fire and all that) but he at least tried to put forth the facade of honoring the white house and the office of the POTUS.

Biden is like the belligerent drunk uncle at thansksgiving right now, Bernie is a whacko and Mayor pete seems to be lacking in a bit of substance.  I have lost hope that team D will come up with anything better between now and November.

Yeah, what could honor the White House more than raping a woman in it's most famous room. Fuck yeah, America!


But to the D field....woof. Liz is probably their best current bet even being a walking disaster. Trump will annihilate her, especially once this "The Dems arent out to get ME, they're out to get YOU, non-coastal America!" message gets spun up. Warren has no defense against that, from what I can see of her points and platform.

Gonna be a heckofaride...

[.RJ]

If things continue down their current path we get 4 more years of shitter twitter.

[Kaan]

he put up a facade? because he wasnt in the full blown tech wave.... bill still stood up there and debated what is is... people still hold him in such high regard. it boggles my mind.

Team D has zero candidates that a true sane person would vote for. But this can be said for ANY side right now. there is dirt out there on EVERYONE... they have all done, said, or believe in something truly crazy/weird/inappropriate.

the problem the bus drivers on both side have driven so hard to the polar opposites that no one can sit down and talk things out and find real solutions. while they might spend 30 years in congress they never cared about the short and long game at the same time. its destroyed this country and put us in a bad spot

[.RJ]

agree with all of that.

[Kaan]

agree with all of that.

quoted for posterity

[Apoc]

Everyone's free to participate in discussion or not as they like, but I'd love to know your (and everybody's) thoughts on this latest stop in the total slow motion trainwreck that is 21st Century American Politics.

It's hard to take you seriously with the last few pages of hyperbole and sarcasm... which is a shame, because this thread was created with honest intentions. It tarnishes this thread and discourages people from participating in discussion. That's where I am and I'm guessing where Jake is. Just not worth it.

[Ken]

Everyone's free to participate in discussion or not as they like, but I'd love to know your (and everybody's) thoughts on this latest stop in the total slow motion trainwreck that is 21st Century American Politics.

It's hard to take you seriously with the last few pages of hyperbole and sarcasm... which is a shame, because this thread was created with honest intentions. It tarnishes this thread and discourages people from participating in discussion. That's where I am and I'm guessing where Jake is. Just not worth it.

+1

[CaptainHenreh]

Everyone's free to participate in discussion or not as they like, but I'd love to know your (and everybody's) thoughts on this latest stop in the total slow motion trainwreck that is 21st Century American Politics.

It's hard to take you seriously with the last few pages of hyperbole and sarcasm... which is a shame, because this thread was created with honest intentions. It tarnishes this thread and discourages people from participating in discussion. That's where I am and I'm guessing where Jake is. Just not worth it.

+1

Well thanks for your thoughts. Participation is voluntary. I have gone out of my way not to shit on anyone in particular in this thread, and frankly I think hyperbole and sarcasm are about the only ways to respond to the current climate. But you do you, boobears! Still love ya.

[CaptainHenreh]

trigger warning: Sarcasm and Hyperbole.





HOLY SHIT. Now we're blowing up Iranian generals in Baghdad.


Welcome to 2020 y'all, hold on to your butts!

[Goodspeed]

As per usual, every shade of gray is mixed into this.  To quote someone else:

The targeted killing of Suleimani was the right move and should of been done long ago. This terrorist operated with impunity over the last two decades across the Middle East, sowing death and destruction wherever he traveled...from Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, all the way to Saudi Arabia. He believed he was untouchable...all while pulling the strings of power in various Middle East countries. He killed under the guise of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Shia militias in Iraq, Hamas in Gaza, Houthis in Yemen, and in Syria he was considered the mastermind behind Bashar al-Assad's strategy against the forces opposed to his in the Syrian Civil War. He pulled strings and directed violence all over the Middle East. The world is a safer place because of his death.

Buuut he was also pretty instrumental in defeating ISIS.

And then...

https://theweek.com/articles/887007/4-li...etual-wars

[ScottyB]

well we sent our Kurdish allies straight to the wood chipper in the name of "bring home the troops" and now like 4 weeks later Al Assad base is getting shelled, planes scrambled, and it looks like we're headed for an actual conflict. convenient timing what with the 'ol impeachment and all that. hope i'm wrong, but just like the spoilers leaked for season 8 of GOT, everything that seems too impossibly absurd to happen just keeps coming true.

*my military industrial complex sense is tingling*

[SlimKlim]

Remember when Hillary was a war hawk who was gonna start a war with Iran if she was elected?

[CaptainHenreh]

Remember when Hillary was a war hawk who was gonna start a war with Iran if she was elected?

Underrated point. I remember it being war with Russia, but I'm sure Iran was in there room

Can't imagine I'm the only one completely weary of the Forever war...but what candidate will end it for us?

[SlimKlim]

We don’t have the luxury of hoping for a perfect candidate for any one thing in particular right now. Hold your nose, vote D, put this fire out and move forward from there. We know the GOP won’t present a challenger and an independent will never win. Don’t give us 4 more years of Trump because you can’t find an ideologically perfect Dem to vote for. Whatever your disagreements with their policies are, it’s a lot less dangerous than 4 more years of this narcissistic fucking moron.

[CaptainHenreh]

We don’t have the luxury of hoping for a perfect candidate for any one thing in particular right now. Hold your nose, vote <X>...

-Every election 


Your point is well made, but that's exactly what logic got Trump elected. "Can't hope for a perfect GOP candidate but we can't let corrupt hilldawg in there and Trump can't be bought..." Blah blah blah.


If Biden and Warren are the very best that the DNC has to offer they deserve to lose to #OrangeBoi.

We will see, I guess. I'm just tired of being told to vote for things I am diametrically opposed to for the always nebulous 'greater good'. Maybe I'm the only one. I didn't vote for Trump in 2015 and barring something actually insane I won't in 2020 either. 


I hear what you're saying and maybe it's good advice, but I won't be following it. The Dems absolutely could earn my vote and just don't want it. If they don't want it, why should I give it to them?

[SlimKlim]

No, if people had done that in 2016 we absolutely would not have Trump, and scary radical socialist leftists don’t just deserve to lose by default to a bigoted narcissistic racist who delights in caging brown children would happily send thousands of teenagers to die just to preserve his own position for a few years.

We are faced with a choice between a real adult who will likely support progressive, expensive social safety net programs, or this fucking orange abomination that will spend the same money fucking up another country in the Middle East, or lining the pockets of your company’s holding company’s board of executives.

I don’t know how you can view those two things comparatively equal. Either you vote to stop this horror show or you are a participant, and if you’re a participant fuck you.

[ScottyB]

Remember when Hillary was a war hawk who was gonna start a war with Iran if she was elected?

nah bro it was o'bummer

-Every election 

sorry man but...this isn't just another "every election." i'm with Joey on this one. we are at a new low score. i considered typing out all the dumb, dishonorable, self serving shit that guy's done, for comedic effect, but you already know.

drumpfs astonishing parade of daily fuckups necessitates his removal. voting him out is the only way. nobody in the history of the US has made such a mockery of the office, intentionally or not, so i'll worry about my special interests again once the nation returns to the realm of sanity. the GOP has the senate and the SC in the meantime...nothing huge is going to happen without another republican president for a term. i'll be holding my nose at the booth.