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[Apoc]

So is water wet?

By the way, if your whole taxation is theft argument centers around the fact that you don't consent to it, what about those of us that do?

Good for you?

No I'm asking you a philosophical question, you like this stuff. Is it still theft for all of us? is it theft for you and not me? hows that play out?

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

Note theft includes the intent to deprive someone of something. You aren't deprived if you willingly relinquish it.

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I said it in the WatchMMe groupme chat, but if we want to talk about theft IMO the real government theft is "eminent domain"

As a landowner of a decent amount of property in one of the hottest markets in the nation, this is a legitimate concern for me.  There is very little recourse if I move into one of the houses on our farm or build our dream home there and our property is suddenly in the crosshairs for some proposed toll road or government property.

My wife's family's entire ancestral farm in West Virginia got snatched away from them because the state decided to build a new high school there.  One of her uncles literally chained himself to the front porch of their farmhouse for a week.  The sheriffs finally showed up, forcibly removed him and they bulldozed the house.  Yeah they got "compensated" for it but aside from losing their family home they also had to give up their mineral rights on the property which, for better or for worse, can be worth millions in residual income for a surprising number of people up in that part of the state.

http://mynorthwest.com/1080203/dori-show...precedent/

Right now, you can’t touch the buildings inside this Pike Place Market Historic District, but the Showbox sits a little outside of it. So the Seattle City Council has arbitrarily said, “OK, let’s go zik-zak-zik, and draw a new boundary so that suddenly the Showbox is in the historic district.’ It is the government taking someone’s private property.

[rherold9]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

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[WRXtranceformed]

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I said it in the WatchMMe groupme chat, but if we want to talk about theft IMO the real government theft is "eminent domain"

As a landowner of a decent amount of property in one of the hottest markets in the nation, this is a legitimate concern for me.  There is very little recourse if I move into one of the houses on our farm or build our dream home there and our property is suddenly in the crosshairs for some proposed toll road or government property.

My wife's family's entire ancestral farm in West Virginia got snatched away from them because the state decided to build a new high school there.  One of her uncles literally chained himself to the front porch of their farmhouse for a week.  The sheriffs finally showed up, forcibly removed him and they bulldozed the house.  Yeah they got "compensated" for it but aside from losing their family home they also had to give up their mineral rights on the property which, for better or for worse, can be worth millions in residual income for a surprising number of people up in that part of the state.

http://mynorthwest.com/1080203/dori-show...precedent/

Right now, you can’t touch the buildings inside this Pike Place Market Historic District, but the Showbox sits a little outside of it. So the Seattle City Council has arbitrarily said, “OK, let’s go zik-zak-zik, and draw a new boundary so that suddenly the Showbox is in the historic district.’ It is the government taking someone’s private property.

I remember reading that article on your Facebook page.  Staggering.

Honestly, I'm considering talking to my dad about trying to get the property set up as a historic property (validly, a portion of the main house and the logs and foundation from our cabin are from the 1740s).  That is probably the only thing I could think of outside of finding a Native American burial mound on the property that could sort of shield us from the government grabby hands

[Apoc]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

How do I make my wife wet if I'm not wet?

[G.Irish]

Eminent domain is dodgy enough when you're talking about building roads or schools. But some states use it to take private property from people and give it to commercial interests for redevelopment. In Ohio the local government conspired with some developers to change the definition of a 'blighted' house so they can use eminent domain on whole neighborhoods and redevelop them into strip malls.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-x...story.html

[CaptainHenreh]

So is water wet?

By the way, if your whole taxation is theft argument centers around the fact that you don't consent to it, what about those of us that do?

Good for you?

No I'm asking you a philosophical question, you like this stuff. Is it still theft for all of us? is it theft for you and not me? hows that play out?

Oh, well the thing that makes sex not raoe is consent, not intent. If you consent to transfer of your property then no theft transpired. 

However, in a free society you should be able to withdraw your consent in the future, as consent now does not guarantee consent in the future.

So, since you cannot do that freely, I'm going to say that it might still be theft, even if you consent at this moment.

[.RJ]

Eminent domain is dodgy enough when you're talking about building roads or schools.  But some states use it to take private property from people and give it to commercial interests for redevelopment.  In Ohio the local government conspired with some developers to change the definition of a 'blighted' house so they can use eminent domain on whole neighborhoods and redevelop them into strip malls.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-x...story.html

Same thing happened with FoxConn in Wisconsin.  Its fucking awful.

I've accepted the man gets his money, one way or the other. I do wish it were simpler, though.

[Apoc]

I hope most can agree that none of us truly own property or goods, if you define ownership as sole control over it.

I feel like I own my house and my guns and my income... but the government actually does and I'm just storing it for them until they decide they want them.

[G.Irish]

I hope most can agree that none of us truly own property or goods, if you define ownership as sole control over it.

I feel like I own my house and my guns and my income... but the government actually does and I'm just storing it for them until they decide they want them.

Underneath everything is the law of the jungle.  Something is yours until a stronger or craftier adversary comes and takes it (or a disease kills you).  Civilization largely subdues the law of the jungle in favor of the law of man, but the jungle never really goes away.

[Senor_Taylor]

I've been wondering why I have the strong urge to fling my own poo at others.

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[Apoc]

I hope most can agree that none of us truly own property or goods, if you define ownership as sole control over it.

I feel like I own my house and my guns and my income... but the government actually does and I'm just storing it for them until they decide they want them.

Underneath everything is the law of the jungle.  Something is yours until a stronger or craftier adversary comes and takes it (or a disease kills you).  Civilization largely subdues the law of the jungle in favor of the law of man, but the jungle never really goes away.

Ironic you'd say "in favor of the law of man" because that's pretty accurate. We're still using the law of the jungle in many gender-based inequalities.

[rherold9]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

How do I make my wife wet if I'm not wet?

Is she somehow dry before? Might want to get that checked out

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[ScottyB]

That is probably the only thing I could think of outside of finding a Native American burial mound on the property that could sort of shield us from the government grabby hands

if you can prove you're some kind of migratory sanctuary for some kind of random newt or butterfly or whatever, you likely have as good or better a chance. although the EPA nowadays is more of an undercover bosom buddy with the fossil fuel industry.

Eminent domain is dodgy enough

that stuff pisses me off pretty good, along with the recent fad of Civil Forfeiture, aka "hello American Motorist, you look like you probably shouldn't hold that cash so let me do it for you"...whoops how'd our police station get all these margarita mixers and golf carts? makes you wonder how the hell we got to this point. oh wait, yeah i do - greed, pure and simple. you can always depend on greed. no matter how beneficial the deal looks on the surface, if the gov't is looking for land or cash, somebody's playing somebody else to get a cut.

[Jake]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

How do I make my wife wet if I'm not wet?

Stop asking her to blow you, she doesn't wanna do it anyway

[*insertusernamehere*]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

How do I make my wife wet if I'm not wet?

Stop asking her to blow you, she doesn't wanna do it anyway

If you're not wet, and she isn't, then maybe you need to produce something that is...

[Senor_Taylor]

Water isn't wet. It makes things wet.

If water isn't wet then how does it make things wet?

How do I make my wife wet if I'm not wet?

Stop asking her to blow you, she doesn't wanna do it anyway

If you're not wet, and she isn't, then maybe you need to produce something that is...

I keep crying, yet these women still won't have sex with me???

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[Kaan]

Lets talk about this:
https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/ge...8e709.html

Here is a "use" tax... or a toll. I'll also point out, this is an example of both "left" and "right" being just as screwed up.

"Northam also backed an exemption that would grant passenger vehicles and small trucks unlimited use of I-81 in return for payment of a yearly fee, his office said." - what this means is, all users will pay something... it was initially sold as a way to "toll the trucks." People out here are mostly poor... so we will see what the annual fee really is. They are guessing around $30/pass.

The biggest single employer in most areas are the universities and the medical centers. not everyone makes professor and/or doctor money at these places. one of the largest markets that employees people in the area are the chicken factories... at $10/hr (hopefully).

my issues are with the initial road planning. where did the money from that funding stream go? did they (those in richmond) not plan for expansion? did they not plan for long term care? This can be said for every stretch of road we have in the state. when they make their $2.2 billion (and we know its going to cost more)... where will they put this money next? History shows us it wont be back into improving I-81.

[JPolen01]

So was Trump able to change anyone's mind last night? That was a doozy of an address. He stayed on his (insane) script which made him seem like a robot. I'm sure he wanted so badly to declare a state of emergency, but his staff must have talked him out of it. The 2 minutes of describing various murders throughout the US was outright bizarre.

[CaptainHenreh]

my issues are with the initial road planning. where did the money from that funding stream go? did they (those in richmond) not plan for expansion? did they not plan for long term care? This can be said for every stretch of road we have in the state. when they make their $2.2 billion (and we know its going to cost more)... where will they put this money next? History shows us it wont be back into improving I-81.

When I-81 was constructed (finished in 1987), the planners probably could not have for seen the Just In Time inventory management schemes that computers would permit to exist, and interest rates would drive. Combine the removed need for overstocked inventory and warehouses with standardized and deregulated trucking and BAM: 73% of all freight shipped in the US is done by truck.

Wear and tear on roads increases non-linearly with the number of axles, and tractor trailers are ponderous and dangerous to operate, and although they are statistically less likely to have an accident on a per-unit basis, the consequence of a tractor trailer incident is a much larger impact (no pun intended) than a passenger car.

All of this is a perfect storm of bullshit for something the government already hates to spend money on: Infrastructure.

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So was Trump able to change anyone's mind last night? That was a doozy of an address. He stayed on his (insane) script which made him seem like a robot. I'm sure he wanted so badly to declare a state of emergency, but his staff must have talked him out of it. The 2 minutes of describing various murders throughout the US was outright bizarre.

No. "Build the wall!" is dumb. I do think we need a comprehensive immigration reform package, and I can't tell if TROTUS is just being unhinged or is acting like a Whip to try to get something done.

Either way, it's fucking stupid. But then, isn't everything these days.

[Kaan]

Rexy it still doesnt explain where the money went (1987 until now)... up this way, they use the exact same patching used in Turkey... cheapest stuff possible.