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[.RJ]

VP of Internet Channel Delivery

Does that have anything to do with memes?

[Ryan T]

VP of Internet Channel Delivery

Does that have anything to do with memes?

I like to tell myself that she has full control of all the memes.

[Senor_Taylor]

HR is sending out emails again pleading with us to refer people since we're hiring 1000+ people this year. Y'all let me know if you see anything that piques your interest: https://www.cvent.com/en/careers/open-positions

We do have 100% remote employees and flexible WFH policy, but I'm not sure how easy it would be hired into a remote position immediately.

[Sully]

They all require experience. I don't have any of that..

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[Senor_Taylor]

They all require experience. I don't have any of that..

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All depends on what you want to do. Unfortunately, I would imagine the only remote positions would be the very technical ones.

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Does anyone know anyone who has gone Software Product Manager route? I'm considering making the jump from Engineer to Product Analyst to eventually become a PM but I worry that I'll take a pay hit short term and long term.

At my current path, I expect to be moved up to Engineer II this winter (next step is Senior Engineer) and I'm not sure which path (staying at the same company) will lead to a better future for me.

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[Deceus]

HR is sending out emails again pleading with us to refer people since we're hiring 1000+ people this year. Y'all let me know if you see anything that piques your interest: https://www.cvent.com/en/careers/open-positions

We do have 100% remote employees and flexible WFH policy, but I'm not sure how easy it would be hired into a remote position immediately.

I would leave this trainwreck of a project tomorrow but they made it clear they were really only looking to hire someone 100% remote if they had a shit ton of experience last time.

[rherold9]

At my current path, I expect to be moved up to Engineer II this winter (next step is Senior Engineer) and I'm not sure which path (staying at the same company) will lead to a better future for me.

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Software Engineering is a really nice field to be in and will in the future be a better field for pay scale and job opportunity... Demand is huge and growing for people like us

[.RJ]

Remote work is good for the individual, bad for the team, IMO, for building software. It can work but its a lot of overhead.

[Deceus]

I'm trying to make a jump to mobile development since it seems people/companies are a lot more likely to consider a small remote team for their mobile development even if they're against it for their main product. Most of the web development 100% remote positions I'm coming across want you to be subject matter expert in every aspect of their stack AND their idea of a competitive salary involves competing with Indian developer salaries. The last place I looked at wanted me to spend 3-4 hours building them an app before even speaking to me about an interview, stressed that I'd be working a minimum of 60 hours a week and after looking at glassdoor would be offering about 40% less than I make now.



And they genuinely seem frustrated they weren't finding good help lol.

[CaptainHenreh]

 Most of the web development 100% remote positions I'm coming across want you to be subject matter expert in every aspect of their stack AND their idea of a competitive salary involves competing with Indian developer salaries.

Yup. Since the customer, ultimately, doesn't care what it's made of, only what it looks like, there's no good reason to hire someone who is going to work remote, but pay them 4x what you'd pay someone from India or Myanmar or wherever. They can write shitty last minute code just as well as you can and for a lot cheaper.

[rherold9]

At least you got to know up front that they were a shitty company you don't want to work for. Win-win I'd say

[Deceus]

 Most of the web development 100% remote positions I'm coming across want you to be subject matter expert in every aspect of their stack AND their idea of a competitive salary involves competing with Indian developer salaries.

Yup. Since the customer, ultimately, doesn't care what it's made of, only what it looks like, there's no good reason to hire someone who is going to work remote, but pay them 4x what you'd pay someone from India or Myanmar or wherever. They can write shitty last minute code just as well as you can and for a lot cheaper.

That's true for the average little storefront and blogs but people seem to be pulling this crap with some pretty complicated products. I couldn't imagine even trying to bring someone from India into the project I'm on now and have them be even remotely helpful due to the language barrier alone. Not to mention all the shady stuff that happens behind the scenes where they cherrypick who they use for the interviews and then farm out the work to the less qualified. (great now I sound racist, can't be president now)

I'm sure this contract will end up with a company like that eventually though because that seems to be the get rich quick scheme of the decade. Hire a bunch of developers no one else wants for $25/hr or less, bill the government $125+/hr, run a project into the ground and move on to the next.

[Evan]

So put on your adult clothes and go work in an office.

Do you yell at the sky when it rains?

[Apoc]

The concept of a long term career while being remote is idealism at best. There are a lot of successful people who made good money, but you'll hit a glass ceiling... if you care about such things. It's hard to compete with the visibility and hallway conversations where a lot shit actually gets done when you are not around.

[Deceus]

So put on your adult clothes and go work in an office.  

Do you yell at the sky when it rains?

I have a really cushy remote position and just bought a house on Massanutten otherwise I'd consider it. I have time to look and figured it wouldn't be so damn hard considering this job just kinda fell into my lap. Just seems like every one and their brother is dying to hire more developers but they're also doing the equivalent of searching for a Porsche 911 for the price of a VW Beetle. I honestly get hitup 2-3 times a week by recruiters with a "great" opportunity to move back to Hampton Roads to work in an office everyday, all day for half of what I make now. Hell, half the people I know from college are now technical recruiters but 99% of the positions they're recruiting for are in that category. It's just silly.

[G.Irish]

There's plenty of remote work to go around, and some of it at pretty robust salaries, you just have to do the work to set yourself to get those jobs.

• Check remote job boards to get a feel for what skillsets are in high demand for remote jobs that pay well.  Python, Go, Node.js, some of the front end javascript frameworks, c# (oddly enough), etc.  Having expertise in one of the cloud stacks is probably gonna be a big help there too
  
• If you can't work in any of the in-demand technologies in your day job, either switch jobs or learn it in your free time.  Might be worth taking on freelance work to build your cred
  
• Work on your network of former colleagues.  If you stay connected in the tech industry great jobs will be brought to you before they're even publicly announced.  The other thing is that a company might no advertise remote work, but if you're a trusted referral they might make exceptions
  

The thing about IT work is that the bottom of the barrel makes the most noise.  That goes for recruiters and companies with crappy jobs, and it goes for incompetent developers always looking for work.  So at first glance it might seem like there's only remote work where they're only willing to pay $65k for a Senior Engineer, but the reason you're seeing that job is because nobody wants it.  The remote job paying $165k/year went to someone who was a referral or got filled pretty quickly.

[Evan]

So put on your adult clothes and go work in an office.  

Do you yell at the sky when it rains?

I have a really cushy remote position and just bought a house on Massanutten otherwise I'd consider it. I have time to look and figured it wouldn't be so damn hard considering this job just kinda fell into my lap. Just seems like every one and their brother is dying to hire more developers but they're also doing the equivalent of searching for a Porsche 911 for the price of a VW Beetle. I honestly get hitup 2-3 times a week by recruiters with a "great" opportunity to move back to Hampton Roads to work in an office everyday, all day for half of what I make now. Hell, half the people I know from college are now technical recruiters but 99% of the positions they're recruiting for are in that category. It's just silly.

I hear you, Im just saying there are tradeoffs.
If you are paid well where you are now, why are you looking? If things are slow, *definitely* use the down time to level up your skills. Github portfolio, open source contributions, personal projects are huge in hiring now, especially in remote work.
There is government remote work, its relatively rare, and some even cleared. If you can get a clearance, even a low level clearance, you instantly cut out the offshore and H1B competition. (Which, no matter what Mark Zuckerberg says, suppress salaries by 30-40%)

You have probably seen it, but the best place for remote work jobs I have found is stackoverflow.com/jobs


btw, if you want to see ridiculous interview requirements, check out toptal. You basically have to put 80+ hours in for the interview, for the privilege of making $35/ hr freelance.

[D_Eclipse9916]

The concept of a long term career while being remote is idealism at best. There are a lot of successful people who made good money, but you'll hit a glass ceiling... if you care about such things. It's hard to compete with the visibility and hallway conversations where a lot shit actually gets done when you are not around.

+1

I went remote knowing it was a ceiling for me and would slow down any career growth. I also opted to be in a career path that has slow growth as well (in return for all that freedom/flexibility I got). I figure I’ll be done with racing by the time I’m in my mid-30s and will be going back to the office at some point.

[Deceus]

There's plenty of remote work to go around, and some of it at pretty robust salaries, you just have to do the work to set yourself to get those jobs.

• Check remote job boards to get a feel for what skillsets are in high demand for remote jobs that pay well.  Python, Go, Node.js, some of the front end javascript frameworks, c# (oddly enough), etc.  Having expertise in one of the cloud stacks is probably gonna be a big help there too
  
• If you can't work in any of the in-demand technologies in your day job, either switch jobs or learn it in your free time.  Might be worth taking on freelance work to build your cred
  
• Work on your network of former colleagues.  If you stay connected in the tech industry great jobs will be brought to you before they're even publicly announced.  The other thing is that a company might no advertise remote work, but if you're a trusted referral they might make exceptions
  

The thing about IT work is that the bottom of the barrel makes the most noise.  That goes for recruiters and companies with crappy jobs, and it goes for incompetent developers always looking for work.  So at first glance it might seem like there's only remote work where they're only willing to pay $65k for a Senior Engineer, but the reason you're seeing that job is because nobody wants it.  The remote job paying $165k/year went to someone who was a referral or got filled pretty quickly.

Yeah I figured a lot of it is on my end at this point. I haven't really done much more than skim postings at stackoverflow and update my linkedin. My last 2 job searchs barely took a few hours, so I suppose I've just been spoiled. I know what needs to be done at this point it's just a matter of finding time. I need to build a portfolio that speaks for itself and go from there. I don't really blame the companies hesitant to hire someone like myself with a weak resume especially as a remote candidate.

Work isn't exactly slow but it's not the most demanding either. There's a saying I saw once and it's very relevant currently: most people don't quit their jobs, they quit their management. We got a PM that gets walked all over and a tech lead that's only tech lead because she was the only senior developer on the team that wasn't a consultant. The guy running the show left 2 years ago and these 2 replaced him. Together they don't get 1/4 done what he did, not sure how that's even possible. It also doesn't help I'm slowly but surely committing career suicide. Our technical stack is very basic but the business logic is absurdly complicated. I spend a majority of my time beating the specifics of "this number is wrong" out of the CMs and dealing with some really stupid situations because of the way our process is setup. Everyone just works off the trunk and everything is pushed to production one piece at a time. No real unit or regression testing just hopes and prayers. They don't want to implement release branches because that's too complicated but managing 2 contracts worth of work on a single codebase apparently isn't.

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The concept of a long term career while being remote is idealism at best. There are a lot of successful people who made good money, but you'll hit a glass ceiling... if you care about such things. It's hard to compete with the visibility and hallway conversations where a lot shit actually gets done when you are not around.

+1

I went remote knowing it was a ceiling for me and would slow down any career growth. I also opted to be in a career path that has slow growth as well (in return for all that freedom/flexibility I got).   I figure I’ll be done with racing by the time I’m in my mid-30s and will be going back to the office at some point.

I'm actually in the same mindset. I figured I'd try to stretch this out another 5 years or so and either A) Become a full-blown consultant or B) do a nation-wide job search and relocate for a decent tech lead position. Option B is the much more likely scenario at the moment.

[Sully]

I really wish I picked a more useful degree or looked into internships more when I was in school.

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