GR $2006

[KPWSerpiente]

I don't know how the fair market value is calculated, but If you were considering going with a 5.0 mustang, you should buy a 4-cylinder notchback. The value of a 4-banger stang is less than half that of a GT. And the notchback body style is much stiffer than than the more common hatchback. It would be pretty cheap to drop a carburated V8 in there. Any engine in the windsor family would fit that chassis. That means you could even drop a 351W in there. Add no2 via a plate system, and that sonbitch'll fly.

Chris and I have already found a listing for what I remember as an 89 Mustang...is has a 351 windsor already in it. 450 was the asking price...said it needed a oil pan and some motor mounts both of which would't be a problem. I believe it had an aftermarket intake manifold as well as a dual sidefed carb. Chris, if you could post that entire listing up that would be sweet.

We live in a fucking mecca for cheap cars...finding one will not be a problem.

Personally,
600 dollars in car and extras to get it running, 500 dollars tops in a used nitrous kit, and another 900 or so dollars in tires + suspension + drivetrain sounds really good to me. After that bitch is stripped as far as they'll let us I can't imagine it not doing decently in all aspects of the competition.

The 5.0 has soo much to offer in terms of aftermarket, tons of it being suspension related...I really feel that this would be a great platform.

2) If we go EFI, we make sure that wiring will be compatible i.e. OBD-I and similiar harnesses that can be hacked. As much as I hate carburetors, American Iron might be cheaper assuming that we have some members that know how to fool with those things. Carbs are very much like clitorises, absolute mysteries to me.

Andy, you know I'm all about the tubos and FI, but this is all about the cost effectiveness. Every motherfucker over the age of 50 goes on about how simple carbs are compared to a fuel injected set up....so I'm sure we can figure em out. I really think a carbed v8 with a large shot of nitrous is going to be the most cost effective way to make power.

3) May I suggest a 5 member committee composed of certified owners of junk cars (Dave/Rex), someone who knows technical aspect of cars that will be able to see possible problems in platforms in addition in addition to Travis, Rex and Dave. an asshole that will push for progress (Travis), and someone who is responsible/has time to keep the committee on track.

Under no circumstances will I take part in any comittee. I lost an election to a freshman who made 1 meeting the entire semester...this tells me that the club as a whole doesn't want me in a leadership role. All I'll do is make suggestions, and help carry out what the club decides to do. But Dave and Rex sound like good comittee people to me.

-T

[Chris]

dude, you shouldn't think that at all. I'm sorry you feel this way, but maybe a comittee member for this type of activity is more your calling?!?! Please don't take the elections personally.


The ad he is talking about: (by the way, pick up the valley trader at sheetz, its full of good stuff)


1986 mustang coupe, GT ground effects, new style lights, old style interior. 351 Windsor, alum intake. 650 Holley dual feed double pumper. asking $450. needs motor mounts, oil pan. trade possible for truck or go kart. 540-743-6145

[.RJ]

Under no circumstances will I take part in any comittee. I lost an election to a freshman who made 1 meeting the entire semester...this tells me that the club as a whole doesn't want me in a leadership role. All I'll do is make suggestions, and help carry out what the club decides to do. But Dave and Rex sound like good comittee people to me.

Why are you taking that personally?

Relax and have fun. Just b/c you wont be an officer doesnt mean you cant be involved with club projects.

[lyltoy]

heres a decent buy on a toyota truck, only problem i can see is that it is in Michigan, I think...

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[white_2kgt]

GT body kit adds a few hundred lbs of useless weight, the 351 will also add more weight up front than you would want for autox. For that weight you are better off going w/ a 429-460, they weight just about the same as the 351 but provide more power. Best bet would be to find a stripper lx (84-87) w/ a 5.0 that's been worked already, finding one with a stroked 5.0 would be ideal (~the same power as the 351 but weigh less), it would kick ass at the strip w/ a NX shot and still preform well at autox. $500 is way to much to spend on a USED nos kit for a carbed motor, all you need is a 5-10lb bottle and a nozzle, make the rest yourself. Ratshack can offer most of the switches and the RPM switch can be tapped off the ignition for cheap. My brother and cousin have built tons of mustangs with nothing more than lunch money.

--chad

[CaptainHenreh]

The ad he is talking about: (by the way, pick up the valley trader at sheetz, its full of good stuff)

1986 mustang coupe, GT ground effects, new style lights, old style interior. 351 Windsor, alum intake. 650 Holley dual feed double pumper. asking $450. needs motor mounts, oil pan. trade possible for truck or go kart. 540-743-6145

Chris, did you call that guy about the B16? Anyway, the Valley Trader is a goldmine of cheap shit. And personally, Travis, I'd like to have you on the GRM ZComittee, if such a thing becomes a reality.

[Chris]

The ad he is talking about: (by the way, pick up the valley trader at sheetz, its full of good stuff)

1986 mustang coupe, GT ground effects, new style lights, old style interior. 351 Windsor, alum intake. 650 Holley dual feed double pumper. asking $450. needs motor mounts, oil pan. trade possible for truck or go kart. 540-743-6145

Chris, did you call that guy about the B16? Anyway, the Valley Trader is a goldmine of cheap shit. And personally, Travis, I'd like to have you on the GRM ZComittee, if such a thing becomes a reality.

I can't afford to call him now! damnit.

[KPWSerpiente]

GT body kit adds a few hundred lbs of useless weight, the 351 will also add more weight up front than you would want for autox. For that weight you are better off going w/ a 429-460, they weight just about the same as the 351 but provide more power. Best bet would be to find a stripper lx (84-87) w/ a 5.0 that's been worked already, finding one with a stroked 5.0 would be ideal (~the same power as the 351 but weigh less), it would kick ass at the strip w/ a NX shot and still preform well at autox. $500 is way to much to spend on a USED nos kit for a carbed motor, all you need is a 5-10lb bottle and a nozzle, make the rest yourself. Ratshack can offer most of the switches and the RPM switch can be tapped off the ignition for cheap. My brother and cousin have built tons of mustangs with nothing more than lunch money.

Good info...I have absolutely no clue what a nx kit for a carbed car runs...that was just what I would expect to pay for a complete and used wet kit. If we can do it cheaper, good.

What I didn't hear you say was: GT bodykit can be sold...and whatever parts came oem on it can be purchased cheaper, netting us a little more money towards the car. Or something like that.

Honestly, fund raising should come first. Money for a car should be collected and or raised...I think spending anything more than 500 dollars on the car itself will be too much but maybe determining an upper limit would be a good step as well. Once the money is in the club funds...then the real discussion on what kind of vehicle we can run should be discussed.

Also...this is a point I meant to bring up but hadn't yet. This car can serve as more than just a GRM competition car. What about all those freshman who don't have a ride to autox in? After this car has completed the competition, or maybe even before, we should bring it to autoxes and other motorsport events and allow club members to take turns driving it.

-T

-T

[Dave]

What I didn't hear you say was: GT bodykit can be sold...and whatever parts came oem on it can be purchased cheaper, netting us a little more money towards the car. Or something like that.

As many GTs that are actually out there, I imagine that these ground effects arent in real high demand. However, I'm not really sure if there is a market, so these are very viable options. Plus, shit breaks all the time so we still have potential to get rid of it. Anything is better than nothing.

Honestly, fund raising should come first. Money for a car should be collected and or raised...I think spending anything more than 500 dollars on the car itself will be too much but maybe determining an upper limit would be a good step as well. Once the money is in the club funds...then the real discussion on what kind of vehicle we can run should be discussed.

Agreed. Do you guys think that we should open a seperate club account solely for GRM funding? By doing this, we'll net interest off of it over the time that we build it up, which will in turn make us have to work a little less (yeah, we'll make a couple bucks, but its better than nothing). If so, I can take care of this over the winter break very easily.

Also...this is a point I meant to bring up but hadn't yet. This car can serve as more than just a GRM competition car. What about all those freshman who don't have a ride to autox in? After this car has completed the competition, or maybe even before, we should bring it to autoxes and other motorsport events and allow club members to take turns driving it.

This is an idea I've been toying with lately. The only problem with this is that we have to find a storage point for the vehicle and have to register it in a person's name. If we are going to trailer it, then we can bypass the registration issue, but we still will have to store it. The good thing is that it will give the opportunity for others to get into motorsports, but the bad thing is that stuff breaks all the time and we cant really use club funds to fix it and there are lots of little logistics things that go along with this. Somebody mentioned the idea of selling it off last meeting. I like this idea, where we could also make a bit of our money back (either another GRM or money for club) and possibly make a charitable donation. A lot of this stuff will get worked out over time, but its all little things that we need to keep in mind. Number one priority now, as you stated, would be to get the funds rolling so we can start to play.
And I second Rex's desire for Travis on the pit crew. Just because your wheels spin easily doesn't mean you can't help the club gain notoriety and the best mufuggin' college car club on the East Coast. :-p

[ScottyB]

i third Travis's nomination

[damnit458]

i third Travis's nomination

yeah i'll go for the 4th on this one. You seem very knowledgeable on this competition and aspect of the sport, and seem like a great fit on any committee for this event. Definitly gotta get on there.

[Andy]

I fifth Travis. I forgot Dave was graduating but I hope Rex will be able to also be on this nascent committee.

[JessicaRabbit79]

I think that it would be great to get together a committee of people who know their shit in all portions of the event. Aka- Travis, since you really seem to know your shit as far as the drag portion, you should definitely have say in the committee. Don't feel like you can't take an active part in the club just because you're not an officer!

That goes for everyone... every single person in MM is just as important in making decisions and affecting the future and reputation of the club. If we can keep as much enthusiasm going as I saw in the meeting, the future is bright! Keep up the great work, guys. The OGs, alumni and past officers are definitely here for support, but remember that this is a JMU club, and the current students are those who are going to make things really happen.

Let's get this going. Here's just my thoughts on committee knowledge base:

1. Someone to head the fundraising options
2. Someone with mad-skills/knowledge in the drag portion
3. Someone " " autocross
4. Some *ricer* to think about the car show portion
5. Someone really organized who can keep all the others together and on task

Just my thoughts. That is all.

[WRXtranceformed]

If we use a turbocharged car, a turkey call needs to be attached to the BOV imo!

[ScottyB]

If we use a turbocharged car, a turkey call needs to be attached to the BOV imo!

hahaha, that would rock!

i would be happy to help with the autocross and concours portion of the event. i could paint the calipers, maybe do a spray can paint job with some MM livery, and shine up the exhaust tip

[Nick325is]

I've got access to a nice paint gun if we end up needing one.


Nick

[Jewels]

*raises hand*
Can I be the really organized one to keep people on task. And I agree with you Jess, those 5 characteristics are the most important. The other night Rex and I were discussing that exact subject. We need someone who is good at all the portions of the challenge. But most importantly you need organization, if you don't keep this organized it will fail.

[Chris]

yes, you definately get this position!

[Feersty]

We had a great discussion about this at O'Charley's very interesting and intriguing.

[Mike]

We had a great discussion about this at O'Charley's very interesting and intriguing.

I bet.