Took the S2000 to the strip.

**Mike** · 08-30-2005, 12:10 PM

WRXtranceformed Wrote:The aesthetics don't do it for me

according to many, you drive one of the ugliest cars on the road. a moot point, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Quote:the lack of traction doesn't do it for me

whaaaat? my 2000lb car has less traction than your WRX? sure i can spin a tire coming out of a corner, but i can also take that corner at a much higher rate of speed.

**G.Irish** · 08-30-2005, 12:33 PM

Mike Wrote:whaaaat? my 2000lb car has less traction than your WRX? sure i can spin a tire coming out of a corner, but i can also take that corner at a much higher rate of speed.

I think he's referring to power-on traction, not cornering speed.

Quote:how many times have we been over this? he's not going to change in his ways. some people would rather drive a fast car than be a fast or good driver. it's an image thing.

Driving a fast car does not mean you can't be a fast or good driver. It just might make it more difficult. If we really want to be technical about it, tracking street cars is not the best way to become a good/fast driver. If we really wanted to be fast we would have bought go karts and went out and raced those.

**Mike** · 08-30-2005, 12:48 PM

i never said driving a fast car means you cannot be a fast or good driver, but when you spend that $300 on a new blow-off valve that net you a 5hp increase and then wanting to, but not being able to attend a track event cause you don't have the money... well... it's now an image thing.

**G.Irish** · 08-30-2005, 12:56 PM

Mike Wrote:i never said driving a fast car means you cannot be a fast or good driver, but when you spend that $300 on a new blow-off valve that net you a 5hp increase and then wanting to, but not being able to attend a track event cause you don't have the money... well... it's now an image thing.

1. That is not necessarily the case with Lee. Its not like he is living out of a cardboard box so he can buy more boost.

2. If he were living out of a cardboard box so he could buy more boost, there is nothing wrong with that. Gotta do what makes you happy.

3. Ultimately its about the enjoyment factor. Lee enjoys having a fast street ride. It doesn't necessarily mean its all an 'image thing'. And lets be real, a car is a very real part of our image, just some more so than others. And just because Lee hasn't gotten out on track as fast as you would have doesn't mean anything. Not everyone has the same priorities and same motivations.

**Mike** · 08-30-2005, 01:04 PM

but if you WANT to drive on the track, and you're instead doing things that get you further from doing so... things are wrong.

this is all based on the assumption that lee one day wants to attend track events, which very well may not be the case.

Evan · 08-30-2005, 01:04 PM

Mike Wrote:how many times have we been over this? he's not going to change in his ways. some people would rather drive a fast car than be a fast or good driver. it's an image thing.

eh, you guys are still arguing apples and oranges. Read my earlier post again.
Some people arent into tracktime and only tracktime, and its not your place to tell them they are wrong.
Sure, its lame as hell when a guy says "I want to do a DE but my car isnt ready cuz I need big brakes/more hp/new suspension/etc"
Its our job as the senior members of the club to give advice and guide the younger members, (and if they were smart they would follow the path of experience) but arguing about it and telling someone they are wrong for not sharing the same goals as you doesnt do any good.

Just like Gerald said, I could tell you you're wrong for tracking a car when karting is significantly cheaper, more tracktime, closer tracks, etc.

Kaan · 08-30-2005, 01:09 PM

Evan Wrote:Sure, its lame as hell when a guy says "I want to do a DE but my car isnt ready cuz I need big brakes/more hp/new suspension/etc"
Its our job as the senior members of the club to give advice and guide the younger members, (and if they were smart they would follow the path of experience) but arguing about it and telling someone they are wrong for not sharing the same goals as you doesnt do any good.

Just like Gerald said, I could tell you you're wrong for tracking a car when karting is significantly cheaper, more tracktime, closer tracks, etc.

and then you have RJ telling me to put my suspension on and swaybar and the whole deal Tongue

when i have more mechanical things to worry about in my 100hp shitbox... Smile

with a little more time and money i too will be back on track r0ll'n eg0s

Evan · 08-30-2005, 01:24 PM

"back" on track implies you have spent time on the track in the first place

Kaan · 08-30-2005, 01:27 PM

i have "some" time on track Tongue

thank you!

BLINGMW · 08-30-2005, 02:31 PM

Kaan Wrote:my 100hp shitbox...

wOOt! It's fun having a car you can drive at 10/10ths all the damn time isn't it! Wheeeee :thumbup:

Feersty · 08-30-2005, 02:37 PM

I think if Lee wants to track his WRX, he should, but should keep in mind the consequences of what could happen if he goes balls first into a tirewall. Lee I want to be there on your first trackday, cause I know it will be an amazing experience for you. :thumbup:

.RJ · 08-30-2005, 02:39 PM

Feersty Wrote:Lee I want to be there on your first trackday

Are you going to hold his hand?

**Mike** · 08-30-2005, 02:45 PM

.RJ Wrote:
Feersty Wrote:Lee I want to be there on your first trackday

Are you going to hold his hand?

If by hand you mean D, yes it certainly sounds that way.

Feersty · 08-30-2005, 02:56 PM

.RJ Wrote:
Feersty Wrote:Lee I want to be there on your first trackday

Are you going to hold his hand?

If by hand you mean handle yes.

Feersty · 08-30-2005, 02:58 PM

Mike Wrote:
.RJ Wrote:
Feersty Wrote:Lee I want to be there on your first trackday

Are you going to hold his hand?

If by hand you mean D, yes it certainly sounds that way.

If by D you mean drink then yes.

**Mike** · 08-30-2005, 02:59 PM

So you're going to hold his drink and handle... Mmmhmm

D_Eclipse9916 · 08-30-2005, 04:58 PM

I think what got lost is, why would the WRX guy even want to learn on a rwd car? The handling characteristsics are COMPLETELY different than his car. I track my car so that I can drive my REAL car, not my track car better. If I suddenly get a little sideways on the street in my awd car, but I only know what to do in my rwd car, then I could mess up and put myself in MORE danger than if I had actually learned on my awd car. If anything, IF he wants to have a track car, he shouldnt go with a fwd or rwd platform, he should go with a car with similiar handling characteristics as his wrx. Like a 2.5rs or whatever, that way he can beat the shit out of it, LEARN HOW HIS CAR reacts, and yet not be beating up on his car that he dearly loves.

Point is, I go to the track to enjoy it FIRST, SECOND to learn how to drive to improve my safety, but thats not gonna happen if im learning on a completely different platform then the car I actually drive.

**G.Irish** · 08-30-2005, 05:23 PM

D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:I think what got lost is, why would the WRX guy even want to learn on a rwd car? The handling characteristsics are COMPLETELY different than his car. I track my car so that I can drive my REAL car, not my track car better. If I suddenly get a little sideways on the street in my awd car, but I only know what to do in my rwd car, then I could mess up and put myself in MORE danger than if I had actually learned on my awd car. If anything, IF he wants to have a track car, he shouldnt go with a fwd or rwd platform, he should go with a car with similiar handling characteristics as his wrx. Like a 2.5rs or whatever, that way he can beat the shit out of it, LEARN HOW HIS CAR reacts, and yet not be beating up on his car that he dearly loves.

Point is, I go to the track to enjoy it FIRST, SECOND to learn how to drive to improve my safety, but thats not gonna happen if im learning on a completely different platform then the car I actually drive.

Not really. The principles on how to drive fast and control a car well apply to all 3 drivetrains. Braking technique, smoothness, taking the correct line, dealing with understeer/oversteer are things you can learn with all three drivetrains as long as you're driving a car that is fairly well balanced.

The reason we recommend RWD is that you can't get away with being as rough and sloppy as you can with an AWD car. So if you can drive some RWD cleanly and quickly, AWD is not going to be much of a problem.

The general idea is to get the principles of speed and car control correct. From there you can go out and drive whatever you want (FWD, RWD, AWD, MR, RR...).

Not to say its a bad idea to track something like a 2.5RS or equivalent but its not goign to kill you to start on a RWD car

D_Eclipse9916 · 08-30-2005, 05:29 PM

At the limit, rwd, fwd, and awd handle completely different. I have owned 2 of the three and since I was the only one out of my friends that knew how to "drive" (I know I suck compared to a lot of you drivers here, but high schoolers dont have much experience and I was above my friends by A LOT), I got to drive their cars hard. Currently, my tires are shitboxes on my current car (62k miles on original tires) I am a little bit reckless on autocrosses and at the track because im having fun, I do know how to drive relatively smoothly tho.

Edit: What im saying is, that you should learn on the platform you like and perfect that platform instead of perfecting a platform that although handle similiar in some aspects, handle completely different in others. No point in learning on a rwd car when all your gonna use is awd, might as well use awd to learn on and perfect that instead of having to relearn.

D_Eclipse9916 · 08-30-2005, 05:34 PM

Oh and btw, you should be using a different line between fwd, rwd, and awd cars....also braking may be different between cars. My car's braking balance is in a way that I can brake while giving a little steering input along with brake modulation and have the car swing the back end just a teeny bit out while applying throttle so that I have just not pushed into the corner and have a straighter path out of the corner to get more exit speed.

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