Dyno results for the 2007 Sky Redline!

[KPWSerpiente]

You can't use the modified vs modified argument when one of the cars isn't for sale yet. As for ultimate power potential, who knows, chances are that for the first few thousand dollars the Ecotec will come out ahead.

Uh...you missed my point entirely (and I do know).
The ecotec is a straight killer compared to the F22C in any organized drag racing association. I'm needling Mike because all I hear out of him is how sweet racing on track is...and yet he won't get over what s2k's run stock in the 1/4 (but never his car).

-T

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Modified vs modified is the only way drag racing is done now a days which is why I brought it up.

[Mike]

I'm needling Mike because all I hear out of him is how sweet racing on track is...

:?: you do? show me where i bashed drag racing.

and yet he won't get over what s2k's run stock in the 1/4 (but never his car).

if it makes you sleep better at night, right. daily, i cream over the ludicrious straight line speed of the mighty s2000.

[KPWSerpiente]

Thank you Mike. I've been tossing and turning lately (truly) but tonight I'm feeling like that won't be a problem.

And I just figured out why you have ten thousand posts. It is so at times like this you can simply ask for someone to search through them, knowing full well they won't.

-T

[.RJ]

Modified vs modified is the only way drag racing is done now a days which is why I brought it up.

Then you're comparing apples to kumquats.

Its stupid in comparing 2 different vehicles. When you throw in the modified argument, the only difference is the size of the checks being written, not the badge on the hood.

[WRXtranceformed]

Modified vs modified is the only way drag racing is done now a days which is why I brought it up.

Then you're comparing apples to kumquats.

Its stupid in comparing 2 different vehicles. When you throw in the modified argument, the only difference is the size of the checks being written, not the badge on the hood.

Well sort of. I see the point Travis is making; you can sort of compare two modified vehicles that are of similar platforms (4 bangers) if both checkbooks are exactly the same.

So if you throw $2,000 into the Ecotec setup, I'd be willing to be there is a LOT more potential than throwing $2,000 at an S2k. You're comparing bang for the buck (which btw the STi always loses at when compared to the EVO, so I know all about that :lol: )

[.RJ]

Might as well just whip them out and compare instead.

[Mike]

So if you throw $2,000 into the Ecotec setup, I'd be willing to be there is a LOT more potential than throwing $2,000 at an S2k.

nobody is arguing that... 2k in an s2k will get you an intake, header, and exhaust... a net of maybe 5hp the only worthwhile power adder for the suckers is boost.

[G.Irish]

Modified vs modified is the only way drag racing is done now a days which is why I brought it up.

Then you're comparing apples to kumquats.

Its stupid in comparing 2 different vehicles. When you throw in the modified argument, the only difference is the size of the checks being written, not the badge on the hood.

Well sort of. I see the point Travis is making; you can sort of compare two modified vehicles that are of similar platforms (4 bangers) if both checkbooks are exactly the same.

So if you throw $2,000 into the Ecotec setup, I'd be willing to be there is a LOT more potential than throwing $2,000 at an S2k. You're comparing bang for the buck (which btw the STi always loses at when compared to the EVO, so I know all about that :lol: )

Yeah I kinda know what he was getting at but even then you'd have to define the price ranges for modifications. So for instance, if you took a Mustang vs. an Evo, for the first couple thousand dollars the Evo would win easily. But once you get to a point where you could add significant boost to the Mustang it evens up (or maybe the Mustang could make more power, I don't know).

Either way its a no brainer that it'd be easier to make power with the FI Ecotec.

[KPWSerpiente]

You guys want to attack my comparison, but you are doing it completely wrong.

I was talking about the ecotec and f22c, which are both engines, not cars (we all know this but it seems like I got to spell it out for ya'll).

I was alluding in my post above to the fact that 2.2 liter ecotec motors have run mid 7's. I doubt an F20C or F22C powered vehicle has ever backed up a 9 second pass...but maybe someone can find an example of that for me.

The answer has nothing to do with money or badging. You think money is what determines the winner? You think badging makes no difference? WRONG.

I know you want to know, why has the ecotec gone so much faster? Because it is being run by the highest level of FWD dragsters (Cobalts which are replacing the Saturn Ions of a few years ago) and has big time factory support. The F22C sits inside a RWD car and is hopelessly outmatched against other RWD cars (in the realm of drag racing) and so no one wastes money on it. Seriously...you can't write a big enough check to get an F22C to run against a 2JZ or 4g63.

Now that the ecotec is available in a roadster very similar to the S2000 we actually can compare these two motors side by side. Guess what...the F22C is still outmatched dollar per performance.

On a side note, thank God the Sky doesn't have a digital dash cause that is the only thing about the S2K that I don't like.

-T

[.RJ]

I was alluding in my post above to the fact that 2.2 liter ecotec motors have run mid 7's.... The answer has nothing to do with money or badging. You think money is what determines the winner? You think badging makes no difference? WRONG.

Does it have anything to do with GM support of the drag racing scene? Providing r&d, support, engines, etc to teams? Because if a manufacturer is providing ANYTHING, be it support, contingency, parts, hookers, whatever, that is where the big boys are going to run to. It happens with manufacturers, tires, perception of the car/engine to have, and so on.

[Beej]

I was talking about the ecotec and f22c, which are both engines, not cars (we all know this but it seems like I got to spell it out for ya'll).

I was alluding in my post above to the fact that 2.2 liter ecotec motors have run mid 7's. I doubt an F20C or F22C powered vehicle has ever backed up a 9 second pass...but maybe someone can find an example of that for me.

Uh, who cares? Really man, that's not the debate at all. We're talking about the goddamn cars here. Nobody in this thread is talking about what a tube frame dragster can run 10 times before it blows up.

Bottom line is that you can't compare one manufacturer 1/4 mile time to hundreds of 'enthusiast' S2000 times.

[Mike]

travis, drugs are bad. mmmkay?

[Feersty]

travis, drugs are bad. mmmkay?

and will get your ass kicked out the Air Force....

[Scrubber]

Now THIS is the Madison Motorsports I miss!! Keep it going!

[KPWSerpiente]

Uh, who cares? Really man, that's not the debate at all. We're talking about the goddamn cars here. Nobody in this thread is talking about what a tube frame dragster can run 10 times before it blows up.

Bottom line is that you can't compare one manufacturer 1/4 mile time to hundreds of 'enthusiast' S2000 times.

Fucking get real. Did you understand why there are no purpose built S2K drag cars or was it over your head.

My major point was that people who do run single digit honda dragsters (whether they be amatuer or big time pros, unibody or tube chassis) don't run anything out of the S2K. Top tier FWD guys DO run ecotec motors.

Mike brought up the idea that the S2K might run quicker 1/4 miles stock vs the Sky RL. Who cares what cars designed for turns run at the strip. Furthermore, who the fuck drag races stock cars?

You think modfied S2k's are going to pose a threat for similar budget Sky Redlines on Friday nights at the dragstrip? Hit me back on this thread in a year or so.

-T

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In fact the only interesting thing now is to see if the ecotec success was solely based on factory support in a largely uncontested class, or if RWD ecotec's will be able to step up to the VQ, 2JZ, 4G63, and whatever they call that mod 4.6 Ford's run.

[Mike]

travis, you're the one who doesn't get it. nobody gives a shit what each car will do with 10k in mods because no shit, we know the answer.

the ENTIRE question, which you have managed to get your panties in a bunch over because that is just your modus operandi, is whether a stock redline will be as fast as a stock s2000. who wants to know? i do, which is why i asked it. the power numbers point to yes, but we all know power doesn't mean everything. it was a simple pondering that didn't require information regarding the top motors in the world, the best fwd car at the strip, and other such bullshit.

thank god... post count +1!

[KPWSerpiente]

Jesus. I'm sorry guys. I apologize. I won't ever waste this forums time again.

-T

[Beej]

Fucking get real. Did you understand why there are no purpose built S2K drag cars or was it over your head.

My major point was that people who do run single digit honda dragsters (whether they be amatuer or big time pros, unibody or tube chassis) don't run anything out of the S2K. Top tier FWD guys DO run ecotec motors.

Yes, I understand all of this. My point is that nobody in this thread gives a shit. Seriously. Nobody cares. Apparently that's miles over your head.

Mike brought up the idea that the S2K might run quicker 1/4 miles stock vs the Sky RL. Who cares what cars designed for turns run at the strip.

He owns one, he asked the question, so obviously he does. Deal with it.

You think modfied S2k's are going to pose a threat for similar budget Sky Redlines on Friday nights at the dragstrip?

I never said that, and no I don't. Don't put words in my mouth.

[KPWSerpiente]

Come on. I've already admitted defeat. Your topic is too relevent for me. I bow to the superiority of your theoretical question and wish I could answer others just like it. Drag racing stock cars is my new dream. Please stop bashing me, I'm obviously ignorant on what makes you hard core motorsports guys tick.

I've got to get all my sarcasm out before Monday.

-T

[Beej]

You told me to fucking get real...so I kept it real.


I think this thread is off topic enough to ask...what's Monday?