My Video of the weekend.

Kaan · 08-01-2006, 10:15 AM

just explain to him you didnt feel his write up to be completely accurate. and that other FFRs and racers as a whole need to really pay attention to the flag stations... because his inability to look and see a waving yellow while freaking out/trying to race with no brakes caused what could have been a very serious accident. You are ok, the car is not... thats a good and fairly lucky thing.

btw... why the fuck does your post have to be helpful? he needs to get off his fucking horse and get put on his lid. then i'm sure he wouldnt write such bullshit up and post it on the internet.

CaptainHenreh · 08-01-2006, 10:35 AM

Your post is helpful by letting other douchebag racers who drive recklessly that they will be publicly humiliated, so drive with care and caution, making sure your equipment (especially the wheel nut) is in top-notch condition.

white_2kgt · 08-01-2006, 10:43 AM

Kaan Wrote:just explain to him you didnt feel his write up to be completely accurate. and that other FFRs and racers as a whole need to really pay attention to the flag stations... because his inability to look and see a waving yellow while freaking out/trying to race with no brakes caused what could have been a very serious accident. You are ok, the car is not... thats a good and fairly lucky thing.

btw... why the fuck does your post have to be helpful? he needs to get off his fucking horse and get put on his lid. then i'm sure he wouldnt write such bullshit up and post it on the internet.

I got a bad feeling about Dan at the Drivers meeting at Hyperfest. He seemed like he was more interested in running his mouth than anything else. Prior to that I had no interaction with him, his first impression to me is he's just another FFR driver...

Maengelito · 08-01-2006, 10:51 AM

white_2kgt Wrote:
Mike Wrote:i doubt you'll get slammed.

And Dan just proved me right.

damn, to me your post seemed very helpful. it was a clear indication of exactly what happened instead of "involved in an incident". a red flag during a race is caused by something serious, not just "an incident". i did not personally witness the accident, so i hesitate to make accusations, but from logical accident reconstruction and several witness accounts/video, its not hard to piece together that whiteside was at fault and made several poor decisions in a row.

Kaan · 08-01-2006, 10:53 AM

he is... and he has too much money... and he drinks the FFR cool aid. With his inability to explain what really happend... and then ask the circle jerk question of the year like "how is that helping?"... He made my shit list.

I'm convinced that most people at the race track have zero brains, too much money for their own good... and i'm not sure how the hell that works out. I just have to chalk it up to "old money."

Dragon · 08-01-2006, 11:11 AM

I've known Dan for a whle now and while I can't vouch for his behavior when it comes to racing, outside of the track he's a top knotch guy. Based on his loyalty to his friends and willingness to do almost anything to help them out I can only expect that this carries over to his FFR racers.

No-one likes being humiliated in public, I think we can all agree that had the roles been reversed and someone came on our forum attacking one of our members we'd jump to their defense as well (well except for RJ). I certainly support Chad's post, but I think it could have been a little more diplomatic.

CaptainHenreh · 08-01-2006, 11:16 AM

Dragon Wrote:No-one likes being humiliated in public, I think we can all agree that had the roles been reversed and someone came on our forum attacking one of our members we'd jump to their defense as well

I dunno Matt, if an MM Racer had wrecked someone because their brakes weren't working (and they knew it) AND THEN proceeded to ignore grid instructions AND THEN drive recklessly onto the racetrack, I don't think we'd be defending them at all.

I know I wouldn't.

.RJ · 08-01-2006, 11:19 AM

Kaan Wrote:With his inability to explain what really happend...

Maybe he didnt want to sit and re-hash the whole incident on the forum in his weekend review, especially when chad is not racing in FFR? I dont know if chad's post calling the other guy out is the best idea, but at the same time I do think it is important that everyone (not just FFR or AI) be aware of the implications of blowing flags and poor decisions on the racetrack because of chad's incident.

Just a thought. Dan is a good guy, IMO.

Evan · 08-01-2006, 11:23 AM

Dragon Wrote:No-one likes being humiliated in public, I think we can all agree that had the roles been reversed and someone came on our forum attacking one of our members we'd jump to their defense as well (well except for RJ). I certainly support Chad's post, but I think it could have been a little more diplomatic.

There is a difference between being un-deservingly slandered and thereby humiliated in public, and accurate accounts of someones own behavior humiliating them. I have zero sympathy for the latter, they brought it on themselves.
On the other side of the coin, dan's post was a "Press Release" which are notoriously word-smithed to take out any kind of negativity. Thats just the style of it, and I dont think that Dan meant it as an accurate account of the incidents, and just wanted to give a writeup about the overall weekend.
ALthough FWIW, I think Chad you did the right thing by posting there.

I believe the risk of public humiliation is a great deterrent to jackassery. Ive seen people do stupid shit on track and think they could hide behind their helmet and car. If we had public announcements of incidents, license revocations, protests, etc that would make some people think twice. Hell, SCCA posts that stuff in the newsletter.

Apoc · 08-01-2006, 11:25 AM

Dragon Wrote:I certainly support Chad's post, but I think it could have been a little more diplomatic.

Agreed. The sarcastic nature and not the post itself is probably what wasn't well received. At the very least create a new a thread to discuss the matter.

Not sure about others but the risk of people posting bad shit about me on the internet is not what I think about when deciding to attempt a high-risk move.

Dragon · 08-01-2006, 11:37 AM

CaptainHenreh Wrote:I dunno Matt, if an MM Racer had wrecked someone because their brakes weren't working (and they knew it) AND THEN proceeded to ignore grid instructions AND THEN drive recklessly onto the racetrack, I don't think we'd be defending them at all.

I know I wouldn't.

If it was a MM member that I knew well I'd be the first to call them a dumbass for what they did. That being said though, I'm highly defensive of my friends, and wouldn't put up with someone who's not part of our group coming in and attacking them. I would hope that others here are as loyal to their friends.

As I said before, if Chad had been a bit more diplomatic in his post I think it would have been received more warmly.

Ginger · 08-01-2006, 11:38 AM

Apoc Wrote:Not sure about others but the risk of people posting bad shit about me on the internet is not what I think about when deciding to attempt a high-risk move.

I'm sure you mean that what you consider are the implications of the worst-case failure of the move. What would happen if you make contact, how likely contact is, and so on. On the same note, though, what these guys mean isn't "internet humiliation" as it is getting your name smeared throughout your racing organization (yes, it's via internet, but people aren't faceless when you seee them at the track). If everybody you're racing with knows you're a huge liability then they may well not go out on track with you at all.

I don't know about you, but I DO care about what the people I ride with at the track think about me. If you're going to go out and doing something that could put your life on the line then you need to be able to trust that the people you're with aren't complete morons...

Kaan · 08-01-2006, 11:49 AM

Apoc Wrote:when deciding to attempt a high-risk move.

As in passing on the inside with no brakes while there is a waving yellow? thats NOT a high risk move... nor is the shit he pulled on Sunday when he almost ran over a grid worker... because HE WAS LATE TO GRID. Chris, if you put people at risk... being "talked bad about" on the internet is the least of your worries. he DECIDED to do both of these things... he knowingly put people in danger... we arent talking "high risk" racing moves.

**G.Irish** · 08-01-2006, 11:58 AM

FWIW Dan is a good guy, he probably just objected to the tone of the post. Dan has been around a long time and has always been cordial and helpful and I doubt you'll hear a negative word spoken about him anywhere.

white_2kgt · 08-01-2006, 12:41 PM

I was being as nice as I could in my post, I didn't call him names, I just posted what happened. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that he lost his license or about his fuckup on Sunday?

Apoc · 08-01-2006, 01:03 PM

I think it's more of...

"he makes up some excuse that he had no brakes and KNEW he didn't have any brakes, why he was still racing us, I'll never know, somebody with a claimed 15yrs of experience should know when they are a danger to other drivers"

"I guess using another car to stop you is cheaper for him than fixing the brakes on his car?"

I think Dan responded fairly respectfully, if that matters.

**JohnC** · 08-01-2006, 01:03 PM

Apoc Wrote:I think Dan responded fairly respectfully, if that matters.

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Kaan · 08-01-2006, 01:14 PM

even if he did have brakes... has was pulling a "high risk" pass under a WAVING yellow flag Smile

white_2kgt · 08-01-2006, 01:39 PM

Ok, I went back and read my post, it was a little rough. Dan's post was good, I edited my original.

BLINGMW · 08-01-2006, 01:59 PM

I still think what happened sunday is pretty important, clearly the guy doesn't have his head in the right place. Having not experienced it firsthand either, I don't suppose it makes any more sense for me to add back in what you took out. Dan saw what you said and if he didn't know what happened before, he knows now. I just hope that Dan and NASA and those that might have some power over the guy understand that he needs some rehabilitation.

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