ViPER1313 Wrote:Thats a lot higher than I have ever seen on my fathers Mountaineer w/ the same motor - it averaged 17.X mpg on a trip to Harrisonburg (empty on the way down, full of stuff on the way back, almost all highway.) It does have full time AWD, but I don't even think the EPA ratings on an Explorer go that high.
i can't explain it beyond just driving a constant 65 and the tire pressures were way up. it was an XLT with selectable low range/4WD so we just kept it locked in 2WD. typically we saw between 20-22 on trips and 16-18 around town.
pretty much any car can achieve higher MPG than they are rated for on the sticker.
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Even with the way I drive the 300c gets 17mpg around town. I second the idea that the sticker can be beat. A normal person could get way more out of the car then I can.
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ViPER1313 Wrote:On a ranting note, I don't know why people are freaking so much about the price of gas (other than the fact that the media has nothing better to report on.) I'm "freaking out" (re: been debating this for four months) because I'm spending as much on gas as I am my car payment, insurance, etc, combined. I got the truck because I wanted to be able to tow a lot. Reality is I've never towed as much as I had hoped (never did start that race team) so may as well tone it down. Changing from a 12mpg vehicle to a 20mpg vehicle would be a 66% increase in fuel efficiency. Picking up something cheap enough could kill my car payment significantly. I could easily reclaim ~$300-$350/mo without any change in lifestyle.
I'm leaning towards a Subaru Forester or Outback at this point.
gula just get a street bike for the summer  stop worrying about gas.
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Kaan Wrote:gula just get a street bike for the summer stop worrying about gas. like I told Steele, I'm a fair weather biker. :-) I like my A/C.
asteele2 Wrote:You start to nix fuel savings when you add a second insurance payment, second set of repairs, second PPTs, etc...
Yup. Even if the beater is $1000, gas needs to be near $4/gallon and you need a substantial commute to break even in the first year. Sure you save on gas, but you just replaced it with buying a car, registration, insurance and another vehicle to maintain.
The basic maths isnt hard... think it all the way through though.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I'm quite sure noone on here would fall into it, but I have been absolutely astounded at the number of people that have traded in SUV's on cars in the last few monthes and raised their payments by $200 or more just so they can save $100 in gas a month.
A subaru forester, new or used, would be a good choice for what your wanting to do. I work at a subaru dealership so I can get you a good deal on parts, or maybe find you one if that's what you want to get.
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I thinking folks are trading in trucks cause they're planning on gas being in the 5-6 dollar range. They're not just anticipating future savings on fuel but would also prefer to transfer that money into a nicer, newer car. Why dump money into the gas tank when you can transer that cost into a nicer car? Makes sense to me.
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Andy Wrote:into a nicer car? Makes sense to me.
And a lot of people do like to get into nice cars every couple years. Apoc just got rid of his S4, RJ wanted something nice and new that just wasn't a truck because he was tired of driving one, Mike, Evan, and BJ all own relatively new, nice vehicles, and I'm thinking down the road of getting something made in the latter half of this decade because I want something nice. It's entirely possible that the SUV drivers of yore are, as gas prices rise, combining their pocket book lightening with their frustration over driving trucks everywhere. I don't think it's entirely fair of us to say "oh, I *know* he only bought that for the gas savings." Do you? My mom was ready for a new car and decided that a hybrid was for her... but does that mean that she did it just for the gas difference? No.
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Lets not forget the macroeconomic and environmental impacts as well. Saving $1000 a year may not be that big of a deal, but people might actually be realizing they don't need something that gets 13mpg and can make due with something that gets 26mpg. I hold out a glimmer of hope Americans could actually be thinking of the greater good.
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ViPER1313 Wrote:On a ranting note, I don't know why people are freaking so much about the price of gas (other than the fact that the media has nothing better to report on.) The Pontiac only averages ~21mpg in my commute (past 800 miles has been 21.6mpg), uses premium, and I have a 60-mile daily commute - would still drive it over a Yaris or Civic. I doubt most people drive more than 1k miles a month. So lets figure it out.
1000/13mpg = Approx 77gal / gas per month @ $4 gal = $308 a month
A car that would get 26mpg (double your current MPGs) net you a savings of $154 a month. In the grand scheme of things, $5 a day really isn't that much.
Now figure that the pickup truck you own is close to being paid off (maybe 1 year, maybe 2.) Selling the truck now, with gas prices and the market the way they are, you are probably going to get 2->3g under what the truck is worth. You also have to look forward to the truck being paid off - gas would have to go up over $9 a gallon to counteract the money you would save from not having a car payment.
Just another way of looking at it...
$308 is a weeks paycheck for me.
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asteele2 Wrote:I don't think it's entirely fair of us to say "oh, I *know* he only bought that for the gas savings." Do you? My mom was ready for a new car and decided that a hybrid was for her... but does that mean that she did it just for the gas difference? No.
MPG is a much bigger concern now when looking for a vehicle though - if gas was still $1 (or even $2) for regular, I'd have bought a newer F150 by now
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
.RJ Wrote:Yup. Even if the beater is $1000, gas needs to be near $4/gallon and you need a substantial commute to break even in the first year. Sure you save on gas, but you just replaced it with buying a car, registration, insurance and another vehicle to maintain.
The basic maths isnt hard... think it all the way through though.
how long does Steve plan to keep the car though? might be worth it if he's not car-ADD like you :lol:
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.RJ Wrote:MPG is a much bigger concern now when looking for a vehicle though - if gas was still $1 (or even $2) for regular, I'd have bought a newer F150 by now
Don't start with me, boy!
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asteele2 Wrote:Mike, Evan, and BJ all own relatively new, nice vehicles, not me! my only relatively new, nice vehicle sits around and has only been driven 12k miles in 2.5 years.
But I would like to get something a little nicer to drive to work than a cramped 10 year old convertible.
Gas prices definately have affected my decision in this though, as the perfect low mileage E46 M3 came up for sale for a killer price and I couldnt pull the trigger on premium gas + gas mileage of a 333hp car.
Quote: My mom was ready for a new car and decided that a hybrid was for her... but does that mean that she did it just for the gas difference? No.
of course not, she did it because she "likes what it says about me"
Andy Wrote:I thinking folks are trading in trucks cause they're planning on gas being in the 5-6 dollar range. They're not just anticipating future savings on fuel but would also prefer to transfer that money into a nicer, newer car. Why dump money into the gas tank when you can transer that cost into a nicer car? Makes sense to me.
I never said anything about people trading into nicer or newer cars. People are trading in their nice, new SUV's for cars that are a few years older and not nearly as nice, just to cut down on gas and go up in payment.
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Saturn Vue has popped up as another possibility. Anyone have any experience with those?
What's the story on buying through CarMax? I know they're related to Circuit City and I know I don't even waste my time going into CC anymore.
stevegula Wrote:Saturn Vue has popped up as another possibility. Anyone have any experience with those?
What's the story on buying through CarMax? I know they're related to Circuit City and I know I don't even waste my time going into CC anymore.
The Vue Greenline might be a good choice - semi-hybrid system, the only review of it that I saw was on MotorWeek and they seemed to like it *(they like every car though.)
Only buy through CarMax if you have bad credit or don't like good deals - they won't haggle with the prices, and that's always a bad deal.
Why do people just post what they are thinking? Without thinking.
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ViPER1313 Wrote:The Vue Greenline might be a good choice - semi-hybrid system, the only review of it that I saw was on MotorWeek and they seemed to like it *(they like every car though.) I looked at that a few days ago. The original green line wasn't a real hybrid. It was some sort of assistant to the engine. It seems that nobody likes it and it always breaks. I'm buying used so it doesn't matter that they're replacing the whole system with the new one coming out later this year.
stevegula Wrote:Saturn Vue has popped up as another possibility. Anyone have any experience with those?
i've had one as a rental a few times. the suv is pretty nice to drive, decent pick-up. Saturn stepped it up for their newer cars in terms of build(07+).
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