Yep...

**Mike** · 06-02-2004, 11:26 PM

G.Irish Wrote:
MichaelJComputer Wrote:And no, you cannot pick up car control skills on a motorcycle. If you know of a way then by all means do share!
Is that why Valentino Rossi can pull competitive times in an F1 car too? If you're fast you're fast.

Precisely. Do you honestly think all bike riders of his level are good driving 4-wheeled vehicles? I highly doubt it, he is just a gifted person.

**G.Irish** · 06-02-2004, 11:50 PM

I'm pretty sure all of the GP riders would be better than the average 4 wheeled racer. They may not all be able to jump in an F1 but I guarantee that they would not be slow in just about anything else. Travis Pastrana is actually doing ProRally this year. Hugh Plumb is another guy who started out in bikes and is now successfully racing cars professionally. Moto GP World Champions Wayne Rainey and Eddie Lawson both race 250cc superkarts now that they're retired from riding bikes (Rainey because he was paralyzed). Then there's John Surtees who was the only man to win an F1 title and a Moto GP title (not sure it was called Moto GP at the time).

Granted most people don't cross over because you can pretty much only race one or the other at any given time but concepts and skills definitely cross over between the two.

.RJ · 06-03-2004, 06:52 AM

PDenbigh Wrote:(subconsious sexy female's voice with english accent) "**get a bike, and I will ride**")

Like this? Wink

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Maengelito · 06-03-2004, 07:08 AM

.RJ Wrote:
PDenbigh Wrote:(subconsious sexy female's voice with english accent) "**get a bike, and I will ride**")

Like this?

god bless america

PDenbigh · 06-03-2004, 07:41 AM

.RJ Wrote:
PDenbigh Wrote:(subconsious sexy female's voice with english accent) "**get a bike, and I will ride**")

Like this?

I rest my case. Thanks RJ 8)

PDenbigh · 06-03-2004, 07:49 AM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:And no, you cannot pick up car control skills on a motorcycle. If you know of a way then by all means do share!

Mike, have you spent much time on a bike? If so, fire away with your opinions, but if not, might I suggest that you give it a try before you knock it too hard...?

**Mike** · 06-03-2004, 08:17 AM

PDenbigh Wrote:
MichaelJComputer Wrote:And no, you cannot pick up car control skills on a motorcycle. If you know of a way then by all means do share!

Mike, have you spent much time on a bike? If so, fire away with your opinions, but if not, might I suggest that you give it a try before you knock it too hard...?

I'm not knocking it at all, I simply have no desire to do it myself for the reasons I've listed. If anything I'd drive one on track (due to stupid motorists on the road), but I think a kart is much more practical (there I go again) for that duty so I really can't say I can find a practical reason to buy one (practicality drives most of my purchases) Big Grin

**Mike** · 06-03-2004, 08:22 AM

G.Irish Wrote:I guarantee that they would not be slow in just about anything else.

I attribute this to their need for speed. A lot of people are slow just because they are scared to push themselves (or their vehicle) any further... The GP guys obviously have no fears, they're accustomed to going fast.

I'm not trying to plug myself here, but my first time on track with RiceJ I'd have to say I was pretty damn fast; faster than the average person out there (and I still feel that way in Intermediate). What do I attribute it to? The 2 years I spent getting ride-alongs just learning the line and knowing what you can and can't do in a vehicle. By knowing what I can and can't do I am able to push it a little harder... I guess you could say I was track-seasoned much like the GP racers -> car racers are.

Feersty · 06-03-2004, 05:21 PM

Yeah, ride a sportbike, then you'll discover the addiction.

**G.Irish** · 06-03-2004, 06:33 PM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:I'm not trying to plug myself here, but my first time on track with RiceJ I'd have to say I was pretty damn fast; faster than the average person out there (and I still feel that way in Intermediate).

Actually everyone from MM has been fast in Beginner and Intermediate groups. Group 3 and above is where the real party's at son Tongue

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.RJ · 06-03-2004, 09:19 PM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:I'm not trying to plug myself here, but my first time on track with RiceJ I'd have to say I was pretty damn fast

Agreed. Definately movin...

G Wrote:3 and above is where the real party's at son

Group 3/4 combined @ NASA events is a fucking fiasco, I love it Smile

Its always fun when you close the door on a pair of 911 cup cars in your busted ass integra Wink

**Mike** · 06-03-2004, 10:52 PM

G.Irish Wrote:
MichaelJComputer Wrote:I'm not trying to plug myself here, but my first time on track with RiceJ I'd have to say I was pretty damn fast; faster than the average person out there (and I still feel that way in Intermediate).

Actually everyone from MM has been fast in Beginner and Intermediate groups. Group 3 and above is where the real party's at son .

You're solidifying my point even more... We were all just accustomed to going fast, it's not like we picked up the skills from playing Gran Turismo... We used to being on track and therefore were above average, just like the GP guys Tongue

**Mike** · 06-03-2004, 10:52 PM

.RJ Wrote:
MichaelJComputer Wrote:I'm not trying to plug myself here, but my first time on track with RiceJ I'd have to say I was pretty damn fast

Agreed. Definately movin...

You trying to get a reach around or sumthin? Tongue

.RJ · 06-03-2004, 11:14 PM

If you're offering.... Wink

**G.Irish** · 06-03-2004, 11:20 PM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:You're solidifying my point even more... We were all just accustomed to going fast, it's not like we picked up the skills from playing Gran Turismo... We used to being on track and therefore were above average, just like the GP guys

Wrong. My point is that there are certain facets of vehicle dynamics that transfer between bikes and cars. The fact that MM people have an easier learning curve from being around racetracks is not entirely related to that point. Reason being is that while MM people have learned faster, no one that I have seen could jump into a professional race and do well right this minute. I'm pretty sure someone like Rossi, Gibernau, Mladin, or Duhamel could do just that.

And really the reason MM people do better is because everyone has a much better fundamental understanding of the racing line, smoothness, and overall technique than other beginners. It is not because everyone is used to speed. If that were true drag racers would kick ass in road racing and autocrossing.

On video games Gran Turismo is weak on realism in my book but F355 definitely helps my driving when I play frequently and I often find that after a karting or hpde weekend I can translate a few things I learned back into the game and get faster.

.RJ · 06-03-2004, 11:21 PM

Mmm.... F355.

That dorifto pass into T1 @ Suzuka was money. j00 = 0wn3d Wink

**G.Irish** · 06-03-2004, 11:32 PM

Enjoy your short-lived victory, I still own ALL of the MM F355 lap records.

**Mike** · 06-03-2004, 11:50 PM

Whatever Gerald I rocked you the one time I played...

And about the bikes teaching car control skills, lets just drop it. Neither of us is going to change the mind of the other Tongue

Dave · 06-04-2004, 04:42 AM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:And about the bikes teaching car control skills, lets just drop it. Neither of us is going to change the mind of the other

agreed

The F355 cabin was pretty cool, but there is something about being enclosed that made me expect to actually feel the car slowing down. Hence, I would always brake late and just generally suck on the track. Now, if we could add some gyros to give the cabin some lean in the four principle directions, THAT would be money :twisted:

**G.Irish** · 06-04-2004, 10:10 AM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:Whatever Gerald I rocked you the one time I played...

Full speed punts do not count.

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