T3 Turbocharger

[WRXtranceformed]

Definitely go bigger. You're going to want more power inevitably, and if you're not ready for it yet, just turn down the boost and detune it. Crank the fucker up when you want more power ^_^

[HAULN-SS]

yeah! blow your engine!

[Jeff]

I'm not sure what to think really. I think the smaller one is really all we need. I'm still thinking and Sylvia and I will talk it over tomorrow.

[D_Eclipse9916]

Honestly RJ, do you think he is really debating the 300 on big turbo or HPDE, no, its probably something else...

[WRXtranceformed]

You are not cool until you run enough boost to blow your piston rings!

Or you could probably replace "cool" with any number of adjectives.

:lol:

[.RJ]

Honestly RJ, do you think he is really debating the 300 on big turbo or HPDE, no, its probably something else...

I dont know what he's debating.

My point was that there's money better spent rather than 2nd guessing and upgrading every little part of the car with something better for more money. If you do that it will always be over budget and never completed. Finish it, drive it and enjoy all the hard work that you've put into it - you guys definately deserve it.

[Jeff]

Finish it, drive it and enjoy all the hard work that you've put into it - you guys definately deserve it.

Thanks RJ, I think you are right. Sylvia wants the car done. Her car is a slug but she loves the 5-speed and wants something with more ballz. I myself think it outta be done too. Done more then perfect. I'll build a 400hp TD one day, this one should not be it.

Oh, and running enough boost to blow rings? A T3 will blow out 30psi remember? Not all that efficently but it will do it.

[D_Eclipse9916]

Running overbudget? Its not overbudget unless your limiting yourself to money, which is pointless in a car anyway. Cars are money sinkholes, do it right or go home, ive been learning that such as my big16g which I Said I regretted. I should have waited 2 more months for a better turbo. I now know better so pretty much went with the good stuff (DSMLink instead of cheap s-afc, GM MAFT setup, short-route piping, etc.). It cost me a lot more, and it took me longer, but I will never have to upgrade those components in the future. Therefore im saving money and TIME in the long-run. Why install twice when you can install once?

Now if you are tired of your project or are needing a car right-away that is understandable. People are impatient, and thats when things happen wrong. I see way too many people who just cant wait that extra 2 days for that extra something and they end up regretting it later. Maybe I am too patient...but when I am patient, things end up right. When I am not, things like not getting alignment and wanting my new rims on, I now have to get new front tires after 5 months.

[D_Eclipse9916]

PS- You said you were looking for a wideband?

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[.RJ]

Running overbudget? Its not overbudget unless your limiting yourself to money, which is pointless in a car anyway.

If that were true, no car projects would ever get finished. If you dont set a budget and/or timeline for yourself you will be hopelessly lost in project car hell and never get the thing running.

Cars are money sinkholes, do it right or go home

So should I not race this year and put a $1300 LSD and a $3000 set of shocks on the car instead? I mean, you are saying just wait and do it "right" ?

From what I see, they've put a lot of time into making the car reliable and looking good - with a rebuilt turbo that you know what to expect from, there's no reason, IMO, to start worrying about it. Its not like its a hard thing to change later, and the cost of upgrading later isnt any different than upgrading now. Its not like he's putting a pos non turbo junkyard engine that has a spun bearing in it.

[Andy]

Seems like you guys are arguing over two different endgames. You can build a project to bring the car to its zenith with no budgetary restraints a la Sport Compact Car or build a project with budget/timeline with the expectation to race a la GrassRoots Motorsports. One is not better than the other, just different goals/philosophies. I don't think DJ is going to track his DSM so he doesn't really have a timeline, whereas RJ is building for racing so he wants to get out there first and foremost, so he's not going to go all out and blow his budget which includes expensive tracktime/consumables that DJ doesn't have to factor into his budget.

[Andy]

More importantly, Jeff, what is your goal with this thing? Track/Auto-X/Street?

[Jeff]

First and foremost this is a street car. Hence the Kevlar clutch as opposed to the 4-puck job. Sylvia actually paid for the car so she will be driving it almost as much as I will be, likely more. We spared no expense on keeping it nice and having all the gadgets that came with it working. New headliner, carpet cleaning, lots of new interior plastic, repaired the "Navigator computer" and the overhead console. It was a pretty fly ride back in its day. So, that being said we ill auto-x it like everyone does there street car. I will likely take it to the strip every once and awhile too. Sylvia wants to track the car in her HPDE sessions. She already has one earned. I told her I at this point do not trust myself with it in that situation. However she is free to do as she wants.

So, in honesty, it will be a street car that jumps on the auto-X course and the HPDE track, just as much as Boobies Del Sol was. I guess then the amount of power being made is irrelevant. Also, that being said, the boost at lower RPMs would be quite a bonus, not so much the top end high boost like a drag car needs.

Edit-
The typical GenII Daytona weighs 2812lbs so she is a bit heavy from what I understand

[Nick325is]

I am keeping my engine stock for awhile solely so that I can do HPDE's with my car. I think that the 150 some odd whp I have is plenty for initial HPDE days.
I would be alittle worried about a 250plus whp non limited slip equipped car doing HPDE's.
That's just me though.

Do what you want with the car Jeff. I'll still help out with the buildup regardless 8)


Nick

[D_Eclipse9916]

Seems like you guys are arguing over two different endgames. You can build a project to bring the car to its zenith with no budgetary restraints a la Sport Compact Car or build a project with budget/timeline with the expectation to race a la GrassRoots Motorsports. One is not better than the other, just different goals/philosophies. I don't think DJ is going to track his DSM so he doesn't really have a timeline, whereas RJ is building for racing so he wants to get out there first and foremost, so he's not going to go all out and blow his budget which includes expensive tracktime/consumables that DJ doesn't have to factor into his budget.

Thats more like it. I dont plan on doing track time in the eclipse. first off, its just way too much money to risk losing. Howevver, just because you dont have budgetary restraints does not mean that you can never be finished. Its what your goal is. Goals are not measured in money and time, more in what the end result is. I consider myself intelligent in that I will realize once I reach my goal, I will end up setting a higher goal. I mean, come on guys, you always want more.

However, even if I was building a track car, I would do it right, and im not saying you cant go to the track, hell if you voulenteer two weekends, you get a weekend free, so thats not any money. MY track car, IF I put any mods, and thats an IF, then I will do it right and put good shit in. Not crappy stuff. Your missing my point. You dont need it, but if your doing a mod, then do it right, go ahead and do your track time, but keep waiting for that mod.

[Andy]

My god, you're so the kid that needs to have the last word. Respond. I know you want to.

[Jeff]

Thanks to everyone for their opinion on my situation here. Sylvia and I have been talkin on this for a solid week and I have a feeling it will come down to what Chris at TU will give me for my stocker as a trade-in. If he will work me a killer deal then I may go S-60, if not I am going stocker. Hell, I am always down for tearing my car down again! All the good focused questions asked were a great help! MM owns!

Oh BTW, there is nothing "Right" about a super 60 setup. It is just the traditional Mopar Perfomance benchmark for these cars. There are tons of plenty fast cars running .48 hotside T3s. Mine will likely be one of them.

[.RJ]

My god, you're so the kid that needs to have the last word. Respond. I know you want to.

meow.

[Jeff]

[Andy]

My god, you're so the kid that needs to have the last word. Respond. I know you want to.

meow.

Yeah, you're going to have to give that one a rest. It's just not working