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[Evan]

call 'em like I see 'em


*poop*

[stevegula]

anyway, it matters not, but the tone of the high and mighty untouchable honda was clear.

:roll:

You're like a seagull.

He points out the obvious? This all stemmed from me asking what the story on the VFR was and you gettin a bit huffy about me questioning Honda.

[Dragon]

I don't like Hondas.

[.RJ]

I don't like Hondas.

OMGLOLWTFBBQiPOD!1!!1 you are so wronggggggggggggggg!!!!!!

[G.Irish]

Do I have to accept someone else's reasoning if I don't agree?

Of course not, but its hypocritical to demand "evidence" for someone elses opinion but not provide any for your own. anyway, it matters not, but the tone of the high and mighty untouchable honda was clear.

Well when someone repeatedly drops cheapshots on my brand of course I'm going to call them out. Because when it comes down to it, it couldn't be about racing because both bikes have had a good deal of success, one being dominant. If it's about swingarm spool holes, a steering damper, fuel injection, or gp shift, both RR's have spool holes, the 1000 has the damper, and obviously both are fuel injected. So really the cheapshots come down to the fact that the 600RR doesn't have a steering damper.

I just wonder why Steve almost always has something to say about the Hondas. Nobody else pipes up to slag on any other brand or bike on here.

[Dragon]

Have I mentioned I don't like Hondas.

Damn RR's with their brick of a seat.

[stevegula]

I don't even bash Honda that much. The last comment I made regarding them was the one about the F4i with a high mount and I said something about getting rearsets so you could lean it. There's a high amount of truth to that. Ever track one? You can't lean to the right on a stock one because the exhaust is so low and round it's in the way. And even after you replace it, those diving boards Honda calls pegs get in the way. That's just the reality of it. I bet you'd be hardpressed to go sub 1:25 at Summit Main on one without dragging half of the bike.

And I called one bloated once, but it was an F4 and wasn't the lightest 600 of its time. The 600RR has certainly changed that.

*edit* Plus, in AMA since Nicky Hayden left your top rider has been Duhammel and in GP until this year had been Biaggi. Assholes don't get bigger than those two.

[.RJ]

For just about any track bike you're going to change the exhaust and rearsets for more ground clearance - for someone just looking to do trackdays, they do just fine, IMHO.

If there's something easily changed about the bike that would cause you to not to like it, then whats the point of complaining? Its not like changing the rearsets and the seat are going to break the bank.

If you think the GSXR makes a better out-of-the-box trackbike than the F4i, then sure, I'll agree with that. But the honda isnt all that bad.

[stevegula]

For just about any track bike you're going to change the exhaust and rearsets for more ground clearance - for someone just looking to do trackdays, they do just fine, IMHO.

Have you tracked a F4 or F4i?

If there's something easily changed about the bike that would cause you to not to like it, then whats the point of complaining?

Those changes cost money. I'd rather spend the money on track days than parts.

[Ginger]

For just about any track bike you're going to change the exhaust and rearsets for more ground clearance - for someone just looking to do trackdays, they do just fine, IMHO.

Have you tracked a F4 or F4i?

*edited to stay out of this*

[G.Irish]

*edit* Plus, in AMA since Nicky Hayden left your top rider has been Duhammel and in GP until this year had been Biaggi. Assholes don't get bigger than those two.

You've gotta be kidding me. For one, Biaggi wasn't the lead rider at Honda until 2005. Even then he almost got fired before the end of the season. Before him it was Barros and before Barros it was Rossi. And come to think of it, Suzuki just hired Biaggi, so exactly what point are you trying to make?

As for Duhamel, he is one of the fan friendliest guys you will ever meet, even if he has some unpopular opinions. Not to mention the fact that everyone will agree that Mladin is the biggest asshole in the AMA paddock. At least Miguel doesn't openly diss his teammate in the media.

[stevegula]

For just about any track bike you're going to change the exhaust and rearsets for more ground clearance - for someone just looking to do trackdays, they do just fine, IMHO.

Have you tracked a F4 or F4i?

*edited to stay out of this*

haha, have you gone sub-1:30?

Honestly, I'm speaking from experience on this issue, not just mouthing off.

[Ginger]

Is that directed at me?

[BLINGMW]

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[.paul]

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[stevegula]

[G.Irish]

:?:

[Ginger]

Ok, well, apparently the comment wasn't directed at anybody.

No offense intended, but that's a dick remark to make. "I'm more righter because I ran a sub 1:30 at the local track." Itr really doesn't prove a damn thing - so you ran a largely unimpressive laptime on a machine capable of hugely better splits. 1:30, 1:29, 28, it's still hack territory up there on a modern bike... unless there's more to say about it then you're not proving anything except that you can piggyback on big ponies and sticky donuts. Coincidentally, being slow also doesn't mean that you have nothing of value to contribute. It's nut swinging benchracing and it's stupid.

I'm done with my commentary now.

[stevegula]

Ok, well, apparently the comment wasn't directed at anybody.

No offense intended, but that's a dick remark to make. "I'm more righter because I ran a sub 1:30 at the local track." Itr really doesn't prove a damn thing - so you ran a largely unimpressive laptime on a machine capable of hugely better splits. 1:30, 1:29, 28, it's still hack territory up there on a modern bike... unless there's more to say about it then you're not proving anything except that you can piggyback on big ponies and sticky donuts. Coincidentally, being slow also doesn't mean that you have nothing of value to contribute. It's nut swinging benchracing and it's stupid.

I'm done with my commentary now.

I didn't elaborate, Andrew, because this was just going into one shitstorm of a thread since I'm not in line to suck off Soichiro Honda.

My first track day at Summit was spent rolling around with my roommate (owner of an F4). First session after lunch we were hitting 1:30:xxs and he was already grinding his exhaust. The very next session we go into turn 1 side by side and half way through all I could hear was the sound of metal grinding and then out of the corner of my eye I see a bike kick and slide towards me. It startled me and I stood up and eventually ran off the track. I talked to him afterwards and thats when he tells me he's been draggin the right side of his bike all day. Very next session he's out there again following our buddy Adrian (Rossi from dcsportbikes.net) and he goes into turn one and again he's grinding the right side of his bike. This time he pivoted off the peg or exhaust enough to put the bike on its side and he went tumbling off into the gravel. I believe an argument can be made that if he had better body position he could have had more lean, but he certainly didn't have a bad position to begin with.

So my point, which wasn't even a big one to begin with but y'all can't handle someone not liking a Honda, was that stock a F4/F4i isn't great for the track. If any of y'all want to take it personally then you're just retarded.

And I wasn't boasting about a 1:30 lap time, for what it's worth ~1:30-31 was typically only my warmup lap at Summit this last time. But I have never, ever, in person or on any messageboard, claimed to be a fast or even good rider. I tell everyone the same thing, my knowledge of what to do and my ability to do it are not the same.

I have owned a Honda Civic (for about ~15k miles) and a Honda Shadow (~7k miles), both were great to me. Just because I don't think everything else that company makes is orgasmic doesn't mean I hate them. Although I'd rather drive my friends old LS1 instead of his S2k any day of the week.

And I do think Honda should apologize for the Ridgeline. *edit* And the Rune.

[Ginger]

So we should derive all that from a snooty sounding comment about a marginal laptime? I'm not attacking your riding ability.... but I don't think making a comment like that accomplishes anything except insinuate that you're better than somebody else. And that's why I said what I said.

I'm not part of this discussion about who likes what, nor do I really care about it. I just think that was kind'a like "do what?"