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Of the bottom 32 cars in CR, 30 of them are American. Hence, American cars are unreliable in general. Pointing out a few exceptions doesn't prove anything, because they're exceptions to the general trend of craptititude, if that's a word.

If we want to use anecdotal evidence, I can cite my friends old neon which on separate occasion, blew the transmission, brake booster, AC, and other random electronic failures as well as shitty plastic interior pieces cracking everywhere.

I agree, anecdotal evidence is not really relevant in this case.

The Viper is cool but citing a halo vehicle doesn't capture the overall car offerings. All the other cars G cited is poop or concept vehicles. The PT cruiser is a dressed up Neon that shouldn't be given any credit for anything outside of initial novelty.

Statements like this are bashing. If people bring up the NSX or S2000 in a conversation about Honda's innovation I doubt you'd say that they don't count the way you're trying to say so with the Viper.

The PT Cruiser was a design hit much the same as the Beetle or the Mini. Technically it wasn't anything special but it didn't have to be, it sold well and was profitable.

The 300C is popular because of its aesthetic value but it's not going to be a bread/butter car that can provide long term revenue growth e.g. Camry, Accord, 3 series.

The 300C is not meant to move 400k units a year like the Camry or Accord or even the 200k of the 3 series so that is a moot point.

Something that people come back to time and again. The 300C's styling elements won't stand the test of time. The people's bentley, I completely agree with that statement but I don't think it will continue to sell once everyone else has one. It's design/marketability is based on novelty and "look-at-me" value which will inevitability plummit as the 300c ages. Witness the PT Cruiser. It was very cool its first two years, now look at it.

One could say the same thing about the Bangle BMW's.

G, Benz is innovative. Radar/Sonar cruise, ABS, TSC, etc etc, were all developed by Benz.

Adaptive cruise control actually works without resulting in a crash in the Lexus LS430, and ABS was not invented by MB, it was invented by Bosch. Traction and Stability Control were not invented by them either, although MB and BMW were among the first to offer it on the road.

I like the new face of Audi. In regard to reliability, I'm not saying that they're building "unreliabilty" I'm saying for the sake of innovation, they will push newer technology into cars before all the kinks are worked out. It not just me saying this, Consumer report/Cartalk seems to account German electronic gremlins on their push for the latest gadgets.

See this is why I don't think MB is better than anyone else on reliability. If your tech innovations are gimpy and unreliable then that means it is not developed enough to offer in a production product. Rushing a feature to market that will only fail and frustrate the consumer is inexcusable, especially when you are paying $50k or more for a car. Then when you consider that Benzs cost more than the equivalent Lexus which happens to be the most reliable marque in the world it is even more unacceptable.

To bash Chrysler and the other domestics while excusing Mercedes Benz is hypocritical. To call American cars crap for not being reliable but then turn right around and excuse some of the German makes because they offer a lot of gadgetry for inflated prices is unfair.

Lastly, Jeff I don't necessarily hate Chrysler but I'm of the opinion that companies earn trust, not demand nor expect it from consumers. The "blind domestic hater" comment is unnecessary and not true.

Maybe you are not a blind domestic hater but the arguments have put forth sound a lot like what one would say.

Personally attacking someone for an opinion about a car company is ignorant.

Nobody is personally attacking you, but for no reason you came out and called a whole country's cars crap. That was flamebait. You could have made your point in a much less inflammatory manner.

If the big 3 were just like every other company with its strengths and weaknesses, why is one owned by a German company and the other 2 slashes it's payroll, production capacity and undertaking massive restructuring? I believe Ford/GM stock currently has a junk bond rating.

Nobody will deny the big three are in trouble financially but again, no need to commence with the domestic bashing.