06-08-2017, 12:07 PM
So, let me take a step back here and try to look at this objectively so I don't look like an asshat even though this is indeed a frustrating time.
MCS provides dampers for the car. They don't provide spring hardware or top mounts. The front of this car works just fine with sphericals. No issues there. Now the rear of the car uses the OE. There is a general problem when converting to 2.5" or 2.25" non tapered, straight race springs that can cause rubbing across the board on any damper on the NC rear. MCS isn't the problem here.
They have done nothing but great communication and support along with Brain at Karcepts. I'll leave it at that. They have provided me a few different methods to try to get this to work even though it's not technically their responsibility which is great.
So, from what I have gathered.
A. Add more spacing on the bottom
This comes with it's own set of issues. How much force can the bottom nipple take? The more spacing we push the damper off of the nipple the less area it has of distributing force properly across the bottom mount. How much can it get away with before there are some issue with damaging it or have a major failure?
B. Somehow angle the top hat under full droop while tightening
So, the top hat needs to be pushed outward aka towards the outside of the car to allow room under compression. Right now it doesn't angle with the damper which it is making the damper rub on the outside of the MCS delrin adapter
C. Somehow get a spherical that solves this issue?
Right now there is one place that has spherical inserts for sale. Will this help angle the top hat under compression? I don't believe it would but it would provide better, overall, consistent damping force. They make it in 10mm but I need it for 12mm I have contacted them to see if it is possible to make a 12mm and if it may fix the issue
Will a full spherical make a difference here. I would say yes but it needs to provide the same travel as OE, imo.
Now I think the real question is why hasn't a company developed rear spherical that retains similar travel of OE but fixes the rubbing issue of race springs? Is it not possible? For higher end dampers I feel like there should be at least an option and it amazes me there is not even with how much these cars are tracked, autocrossed, and raced...
MCS provides dampers for the car. They don't provide spring hardware or top mounts. The front of this car works just fine with sphericals. No issues there. Now the rear of the car uses the OE. There is a general problem when converting to 2.5" or 2.25" non tapered, straight race springs that can cause rubbing across the board on any damper on the NC rear. MCS isn't the problem here.
They have done nothing but great communication and support along with Brain at Karcepts. I'll leave it at that. They have provided me a few different methods to try to get this to work even though it's not technically their responsibility which is great.
So, from what I have gathered.
A. Add more spacing on the bottom
This comes with it's own set of issues. How much force can the bottom nipple take? The more spacing we push the damper off of the nipple the less area it has of distributing force properly across the bottom mount. How much can it get away with before there are some issue with damaging it or have a major failure?
B. Somehow angle the top hat under full droop while tightening
So, the top hat needs to be pushed outward aka towards the outside of the car to allow room under compression. Right now it doesn't angle with the damper which it is making the damper rub on the outside of the MCS delrin adapter
C. Somehow get a spherical that solves this issue?
Right now there is one place that has spherical inserts for sale. Will this help angle the top hat under compression? I don't believe it would but it would provide better, overall, consistent damping force. They make it in 10mm but I need it for 12mm I have contacted them to see if it is possible to make a 12mm and if it may fix the issue
Will a full spherical make a difference here. I would say yes but it needs to provide the same travel as OE, imo.
Now I think the real question is why hasn't a company developed rear spherical that retains similar travel of OE but fixes the rubbing issue of race springs? Is it not possible? For higher end dampers I feel like there should be at least an option and it amazes me there is not even with how much these cars are tracked, autocrossed, and raced...