07-10-2013, 01:51 PM
xvxax Wrote:I guess to me it kind of comes with the territory.Maybe I just didn't notice these things before but in the past it didn't seem like you had to do anything but put some fluid and pads on the car and go rock and roll. I mean, if a Mustang, that weighs a hell of a lot more and makes a lot more power doesn't need brake ducts, why should the Z need 'em?
This isn't really anything new. The e36 BMWs need an oil baffle to prevent starvation or an expensive dual pickup oil pump, LS1s are notorious for oiling issues as well. Tons of performance cars don't have adequate brakes for the track.
It's up to you as the end user to make sure that a car can be driven 10/10ths at a track. Nissan isn't going to pony up the extra R&D and materials cost (which then get passed on to the consumer) to put in brake ducts when 98% of the owners will never experience fade. Ask David L how his STI Brembos held up at VIR, totally inadequate for parade laps. That's just how it is.
As far as the seals go, I would be surprised if the aftermarket or Toyobaru doesn't come up with a solution shortly.
C&D was saying the reason that Nissan skimped on the cooling to the brakes was so they could reduce drag and bump the fuel economy numbers. If that was the case, that is stupid. No one looking at a Z is going to care about 1 extra mpg, but they're sure as hell gonna care that their 2 seat sports car can't even handle the same kind of driving that the previous gen did.
For a car like a regular 3 series I wouldn't judge too harshly if it can't stand up to full track abuse. But the M3 definitely should be more stout (which it is) as should the C63 (which it isn't).
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