HellaFlush

[JustinG]

Hella Flush true old school American style.....

PS- The truck is horrendous!

Ill kill your family

[D_Eclipse9916]

No your supposed to say you hate me, not kill my family, remember? Your getting rusty there boy.

[N0VA_zEnKI]

In all honesty Nova_zenki has the most accurate point of all of you. Idk who the hell posted the pictures of the mustangs and the vettes but you are far from sane if you think thats flush. The point is to have the best and most attactive suspension/offset to maintain the strongest center of gravity. Those vettes.....or the stang......christ, might as well throw rims on a boat and call it a monster truck because i'd need a ladder to get into one of those and if you honestly think that would hold up on a course......ya know.....with some turns. (point being not a drag strip) then i'd love to see that take a turn and not kill everyone trying to watch the race.

The cars that he is giving examples for have more logical reasons than those "American Muscle" pieces of V8 trash you all think are cool because you're daddy drove one. Those cars are flush because of alot of logical and extremely well thought out calculations and products. Buying a stock cobra or Roush mustang does not posses "Hella Flush" only "Hella Heavy".

Please do not waste peoples time with throwing a car into a conversation that literally does the exact opposite of whats being talked about.

<3loveyou

Altnick?

Oh ya you know it.

[JustinG]

im confused

[N0VA_zEnKI]

Many of us started out all about the "dumped and low" look. And thought it was better for handling. Then as our experience grew with road racing and autocross, we realized that was not an ideal setup for handling.

Fair enough that you've experienced it. But in response there hasn't been much logic. Simply generalizations of how its unusable. That's all.

NovaZenki, I hope you don't take our remarks so seriously as "smartcars1racer" and youll see we are a club specifically about community and having fun together promoting a mature understanding of modifying vehicles and their fun on track, wether that be drifting, autocrossing, or road racing.

dont worry bout me. hah. it's all good. I know of the e-cock. haha. Just think the arguments put out are little irrational :dunno:

[D_Eclipse9916]

Alright yes there has been a ton of generalizations. I apologize, my main objection to most drift cars (although they arent used for trying to go as fast around a corner as possible so maybe I should dump why they need a proper suspension for going faster) is that they typically use spring rates and damping developed over in Japan, where they have perfectly smooth tracks and also the tendency for Japanese shocks to be complete junk on the lower end (Tein, Buddy Club, Megan Racing, etc.).

Good, but incredibly simple explanation of shock selections- <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html">http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html</a><!-- m -->

Second, the use of the term lower the gravity. For him to say, we lower it for "stronger"(WTF) gravity makes me almost want to puke. Obviously no real research on suspension design, geometry, and engineering has taken place for that comment to be made. I can explain it, but might as well give you this reference that again is simple. (mainy read up on roll center's please, now his is a generalization, but it applies to cars using stock suspension geometry as 99% of drifters are. You can correctly "dump" a car by serious modification of geometry, but I have not seen this in one drifters and actually most road racer's cars. Thats why driftres go into road racing paddocks and go eewww sooo much wheel gap, its cause the road racers actually care.)




Now if you are wayyyy beyond these simple explanations, I would love to have a talk more about suspension as I am just scraping the tip of the iceberg learning about natural frequency rates, motion ratios, and actually being able to understand dyno plots at different frequencies.

I only assumed as I saw nowhere in your pictures of adjusting kingpins or roll center adjustment using lower control arm mounting points and pickups. So I may be completely wrong.

[D_Eclipse9916]

PS- I suck at suspension theory, anybody have any books lying around? I dont feel like ordering a bunch online and this topic has piqued my interest again. I did some online searching to help Novazenki, but good lord most of the junk on the web is terrible and some flat-out wrong, SAE website isnt bad, but most of the stuff up there is on forums from kids going, I lowered my car on ebay springs and I can tell it handles better (ugh).

[Mike]

i probably have some colelcting dust [that i never read]. will let you know.

[Goodspeed]

The hate is a little strong from some people on here....I would like you to find a thread of mine, where everyone hasnt stated they hate me (im damn serious ).

[HAULN-SS]

are you guys all getting trolled? just wondering

[Jake]

are you guys all getting trolled? just wondering

Jon (aka NoVA_zEnKI) is legit. Dunno about the other dude with 1 post.

[Steve85]

are you guys all getting trolled? just wondering

Jon (aka NoVA_zEnKI) is legit. Dunno about the other dude with 1 post.

They are one and the same...

[WRXtranceformed]

are you guys all getting trolled? just wondering

Jon (aka NoVA_zEnKI) is legit. Dunno about the other dude with 1 post.

They are one and the same...

Are they? I wasn't insinuating that originally, I just thought it was someone who's been here for a while trying to stir up some friendly hate.

[N0VA_zEnKI]

really guys? I'm right here reading this too. haha. I don't have the time, let alone do I care nearly enough to stir up crap within a group of car guys that I don't really know many people from. Seriously, dont be ridiculous. admins check ip's if you must. but sheish. I think it was my friend I was talking to the other day about this thread.

Alright yes there has been a ton of generalizations. I apologize, my main objection to most drift cars (although they arent used for trying to go as fast around a corner as possible so maybe I should dump why they need a proper suspension for going faster) is that they typically use spring rates and damping developed over in Japan, where they have perfectly smooth tracks and also the tendency for Japanese shocks to be complete junk on the lower end (Tein, Buddy Club, Megan Racing, etc.).

Good, but incredibly simple explanation of shock selections- <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html.........">http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html.........</a><!-- m -->.

I will respond back to that cool stuff when I get back home... haha. thanks for the reply man

[Mike]

your friend is stupid

[fiveoh2go]

[Jake]

They are one and the same...

No, they're not. Different IPs, different emails, etc.

Now everyone stop shitting up Jon's thread. Keep the talk about HellaFlush and/or suspension stuff. No more back-n-forth or this gets locked, okay?

[Steve85]

They are one and the same...

No, they're not. Different IPs, different emails, etc.

Now everyone stop shitting up Jon's thread. Keep the talk about HellaFlush and/or suspension stuff. No more back-n-forth or this gets locked, okay?

I had no idea. I was just

[A350Zisa]

thats a dang good site, Jon! i like flushness and wish i would have seen something like that before i bought my rims and tires! 245's stretched on a 10.... 225's on a 9...hahaha never knew what i was doing andddd still dont. boom.

im thinking about getting spacers to rub up against my fenders, and not roll them, at all, ever

[A350Zisa]

and thank you for my monthly post(s), ill be back in october.