Just stopped by the Honda dealership - New 4-door Civic Si

[ScottyB]

Those are 3 words that do not belong in the same sentence - Honda Civics are not sports cars (unless they are modified into one.)

whats a sports car? 2 door car with rwd?

edit: playing devil's advocate btw

[CaptainHenreh]

whats a sports car? 2 door car with rwd?

A sports car is like porn. I know it when I see it.

[HAULN-SS]

Scotty I think you described Muscle Car.

edit: if you had said something about having a back seat.

[CaptainHenreh]

Scotty I think you described Muscle Car.

edit: if you had said something about having a back seat.

Or not.

[HAULN-SS]

Or.

[CaptainHenreh]

Or.

A car may be a sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as sport compacts, sports sedans, muscle cars, hot hatches and the like, generally are not sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars. Often, performance cars of all configurations are grouped as Sports and GT cars, or, occasionally, as performance cars

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The term muscle car generally describes a rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful engine (typically, although not universally, a V8 engine) and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily and coincidentally considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang, the "pony car".

Or, RWD + 2 Doors != Muscle Car. Regardless of the number of seats.

[G.Irish]

Civics...sporty.....enthusiastic to drive.

Those are 3 words that do not belong in the same sentence - Honda Civics are not sports cars (unless they are modified into one.)

That's not what he said. He said "sporty" car. "Sport compact" would be correct too. You cannot modify something that is not a sports car into a sports car without a lot of cutting, welding, and re-engineering. So even if a Civic has 600 hp it is still not a sports car.

[Apoc]

Can something be ehtusiastic to drive? I guess so, just seems like a weird description... especially for a Civic.

[HAULN-SS]

eh tu brutus

[Apoc]

Do you mean Et tu, Brute?

...or maybe you meant Brutus.

[CaptainHenreh]

He actually means "AY TWO, BUBBA?"

[HAULN-SS]

i was clearly making fun of the fact that you had "ehtusiastic"..came back later to edit your post, and left that in there. It's glaring at me. I couldn't help myself

[WRXtranceformed]

I saw a gunmetal FA5 today turning onto Old Keene Mill Road. It was driven by a blonde haired female, surprising.

Still can't wait to see the Mugen Civic though. 500 units coming to the U.S.
JDM:


USDM:

Price announced at $29,500. OUCH

10/23/2007 - TORRANCE, Calif. - The 2008 Honda Civic MUGEN Si Sedan is arriving at dealerships nationwide with a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price1 (MSRP) of $29,500, plus destination and handling charges, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., announced today.

Built on the foundation of the Civic Si Sedan and tuned by the prestigious racing and aftermarket performance company, MUGEN, the Civic MUGEN Si Sedan adds a track-tuned MUGEN suspension, 18-inch forged alloy lightweight wheels, a full aerodynamic body kit with adjustable rear wing spoiler, a rear diffuser and a sport-tuned exhaust system. Powertrain highlights include the Civic Si's high-revving, 197-horsepower, 2.0-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with an 8000-rpm redline; a 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission; and a helical-type, limited-slip differential.

"The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan brings together the excitement of the Civic Si with MUGEN's legendary reputation for performance," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda. "The track-tuned MUGEN suspension further enhances the handling of the Civic Si Sedan."

The track-tuned suspension, tested at the Twin Ring Motegi racing circuit in Japan, lowers the vehicle by 0.6 inches with aggressive spring and damper tuning for enhanced handling performance while still maintaining a high level of ride comfort. Compared to the conventional Civic Si Sedan dampers, front and rear damping force (both bump and rebound) was increased between 8- and 24-percent.

Lightweight 17-pound 18x7.5-inch forged alloy wheels (27 percent lighter than the stock 17x7-inch alloy wheel) and high-grip BFGoodrich®2 g-Force KDW 215/40ZR18 summer tires help to create MUGEN's unique, rewarding and well-balanced handling performance character.

The full-vehicle aero-package adds a front spoiler with a sports grille, side skirts, a rear bumper diffuser and an adjustable rear wing spoiler. The sport-tuned exhaust system reduces back pressure downstream from the catalytic converter. The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan is available exclusively in Fiji Blue Pearl and includes front and rear MUGEN emblems. Inside, a MUGEN Limited-edition placard is located on the center console along with a MUGEN 50mm spherical aluminum shift knob.

The name MUGEN symbolizes Honda performance throughout Asia and around the globe. MUGEN, under license by M-TEC Co., Ltd., of Japan, has been closely associated with Honda for more than three decades in the design and manufacture of racing and premium aftermarket performance products.

The limited-production Civic MUGEN Si Sedan (maximum of 1,000 units for the 2008 model year) is backed by the standard factory Honda warranty.

The interior design provides a performance-driving environment with the Civic Si's firmly-bolstered synthetic suede seats with red stitching, red backlit gauges and a leather-trimmed steering wheel.

The Civic Si's 2.0-liter, 16-valve, DOHC i-VTEC engine produces 197-horsepower @ 7800 rpm and 139 lb-ft. of torque at 6100 rpm. A standard close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission allows for quick gear changes with torque distributed via a limited-slip differential for enhanced traction in high-performance driving situations.

The interior's two-tier instrument panel conveys a futuristic design with quick-reference meter positioning and includes a rev-limit indicator light. A leather-wrapped steering wheel with tilt-and-telescope feature is standard. The 7-speaker, 350-watt premium audio system features a subwoofer, Speed-Sensitive Volume Control (SVC), MP3/WMA3 playback capability and auxiliary audio input jack. Additional features include a 60/40 split folding rear seat, one-touch power moonroof, red ambient console lighting, remote entry with security system, power windows, power locks, a dual trip meter odometer and a Maintenance MinderÔäó indicator.

Every 2008 Civic integrates a wide array of standard safety technologies starting with the Advanced Compatibility EngineeringÔäó (ACEÔäó) body structure; side curtain airbags; driver's and front passenger's side airbags with a passenger-side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS); and dual-stage, dual-threshold driver's and front passenger's airbags. Active front seat head restraints are designed to help reduce the severity of neck injury in the event of a rear collision. Standard safety features include Vehicle Stability AssistÔäó (VSA┬«), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake distribution, front seatbelts with an automatic-tensioning system and load limiters, and a pedestrian injury mitigation design incorporated into the front exterior of the vehicle. Driver and front passenger seatbelt reminders and daytime running lights are also standard equipment. Vehicle Stability Assist provides launch, oversteer and acceleration-understeer control by modulating engine power and/or applying brake pressure independently to each wheel. VSA can be manually deactivated if conditions warrant it.

A prototype of the Honda Civic MUGEN Si was shown at the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in fall, 2006.

I'd rather get a used (or possibly brand new) EVO or STi with $29,500. In another year I bet you'll be able to get used 05 C6s for that much. $29k+ seems awful expensive for a car designed for the track with under 200hp.

[Sijray21]

so basically you get the Mugen badge on a modified Si for $10k more?

haha, i'll pass

[Evan]

pppppfffffff what a joke!

[CaptainHenreh]

Wow.

I'm friggin speechless. 30k?

Mugen must be japanese for "smokin' the good shit".

[Kaan]

I'm a honda boy and i wouldnt even pay for that crap! front lip, side skirts, rear skirt, wing, and a grill... oh and RIMZ for $10k? Lord have mercy on honda's soul!

[Evan]

I'm a honda boy and i wouldnt even pay for that crap! front lip, side skirts, rear skirt, wing, and a grill... oh and RIMZ for $10k? Lord have mercy on honda's soul!

dont forget those whopping 8% stiffer shocks!

[Sijray21]

you guys are forgetting the $bling$ $8k mugen badge :roll:

[WRXtranceformed]

Real street racers know that you can't put a price on JDM.