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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Deceus - 09-23-2020
The 2 party system in the US truly will never die. This election cycle has really solidified that theory for me.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-23-2020
More breaking news:
President Donald Trump was asked Wednesday whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose this fall to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. The president declined to do so.
"Well, we're going to have to see what happens," Trump said. "You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster."
Pressed further, Trump said: "We'll want to have — get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very — we'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There'll be a continuation."
Yep, all bullshit. I’m freaking out over nothing. No chance Trump is thinking any of this.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - G.Irish - 09-23-2020
(09-23-2020, 11:12 PM)Deceus Wrote: The 2 party system in the US truly will never die. This election cycle has really solidified that theory for me.You'll be able to have more than 2 viable parties if we move to ranked choice voting. Some states may start doing that in the next few years
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-23-2020
(09-23-2020, 02:32 PM)Jake Wrote: Third-party right now seems like a big idealistic slap in the face to people who are a part of non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-Christian communities, either by choice or by birth.
What makes me sad is we can agree Trump sucks, and agree to vote against him, but if I don't subscribe to your binary thought, then we're enemies?
(Full disclaimer in case anyone cannot tell, I'm voting Libertarian. Again.)
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
(09-23-2020, 11:51 PM)BLINGMW Wrote:(09-23-2020, 02:32 PM)Jake Wrote: Third-party right now seems like a big idealistic slap in the face to people who are a part of non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-Christian communities, either by choice or by birth.
What makes me sad is we can agree Trump sucks, and agree to vote against him, but if I don't subscribe to your binary thought, then we're enemies?
(Full disclaimer in case anyone cannot tell, I'm voting Libertarian. Again.)
I don’t look at you as an enemy [emoji2369] I would love for a 3rd party candidate to be elected. But I also think it’s a short-sighted strategy to vote libertarian in this particular election in Virginia.
My 2 cents?
Vote libertarian with your wallet to get good candidates funded and the party’s message out to more people.
Vote democratic in the election to get the Trump out of office with a firm, decisive margin to help us all ensure the Libertarian party has a next election to be voted in.
It really is that serious guys.
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Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 09-24-2020
(09-23-2020, 09:28 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:(09-23-2020, 08:43 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: The left did accept the result of the 2016 election, on election night. Everything else the left did afterwards was punditry and politics as usual.
With all due respect, bullshit. The left was trying to impeach Trump before he was even sworn in. The fuckin' FBI was in on it ferchrissake.
Anyway I guess we'll find out. Y'all novaites arent gonna have any fun if you're right
Uhh what? Please elaborate. You're better than to say the FBI was trying to take out Trump.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 12:17 AM)ViPER1313 Wrote:(09-23-2020, 11:51 PM)BLINGMW Wrote:(09-23-2020, 02:32 PM)Jake Wrote: Third-party right now seems like a big idealistic slap in the face to people who are a part of non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-Christian communities, either by choice or by birth.
What makes me sad is we can agree Trump sucks, and agree to vote against him, but if I don't subscribe to your binary thought, then we're enemies?
(Full disclaimer in case anyone cannot tell, I'm voting Libertarian. Again.)
I don’t look at you as an enemy [emoji2369] I would love for a 3rd party candidate to be elected. But I also think it’s a short-sighted strategy to vote libertarian in this particular election in Virginia.
My 2 cents?
Vote libertarian with your wallet to get good candidates funded and the party’s message out to more people.
Vote democratic in the election to get the Trump out of office with a firm, decisive margin to help us all ensure the Libertarian party has a next election to be voted in.
It really is that serious guys
Yes don't vote with your vote, vote with your dollars!
Good grief.
Also, there was definitely no designs to impeach Trump before he was even elected, right?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-impeachment-213817
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - SlimKlim - 09-24-2020
At this point you're either being willfully ignorant or you actually are a fucking moron. From that speculative article, "Full disclosure: Nobody we talked to said this was likely without a series of cascading events first unfolding." Wondering if it could happening isn't equivalent to a deep state FBI secret operation. A 3rd party vote is a vote for Trump, pretending otherwise is ignoring reality.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - HAULN-SS - 09-24-2020
Are you implying the FBI wasn't involved and incompetent? I think that is the willfully ignorant part. Read the timeline of events in the Horowitz report. Then remember every time you see Carter pages name that he was working for the CIA and the guy that changed an email saying he wasn't plead guilty just lately for making the change. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/abbreviated%20timeline%20horowitz.pdf
They absolutely did not want him to become President. We don't have to wonder if it happened.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 08:27 AM)SlimKlim Wrote: At this point you're either being willfully ignorant or you actually are a fucking moron. From that speculative article, "Full disclosure: Nobody we talked to said this was likely without a series of cascading events first unfolding." Wondering if it could happening isn't equivalent to a deep state FBI secret operation. A 3rd party vote is a vote for Trump, pretending otherwise is ignoring reality.Namecalling, awesome.
A third party vote is a vote for that candidate. Pretending otherwise is ignoring ... the meaning of words.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - SlimKlim - 09-24-2020
hUr DuR ok U got the high road
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 09:29 AM)SlimKlim Wrote: hUr DuR ok U got the high road
Just not sure what you were hoping to achieve.
I'm not a random dickweed on the internet. You know me, at least in passing. Did you think I would read that, see a Chi Rho in the sunrise and say "My God, I am a fucking moron! Holy shit, I'm gonna vote for Biden now!"
C'mon Joey. I'm Rex, not @TrumpDaddyUwU8673821.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - SlimKlim - 09-24-2020
I just don't care anymore. You've been presented with tombs of factual evidence you twist around, you're a one issue voter with a weird gun fetish, you make outlandishly incorrect statements and rudely defend them with a thin grasp of college level rhetoric (taxation is theft). Now that you're peddling literal fake news about deep state FBI impeachment plots any hope of a rational conversation is completely out of the window. So yeah I do know you in passing but I'd rather not.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-24-2020
If you can't vote for Biden based on Trump's view of social justice; at least vote based on your pocketbook.
None of us here make $1M MAGI a year (at least that I am aware of since I dont see GT3s and Lambos under the project threads, and if not shame on you). Trump's tax policy has been shady to downright egregious to the middle class.
1. Trump's tax "cuts", cut taxes to everyone; but rolls back taxes over the next couple years so that the middle/upper class (not "1%) will be paying more in taxes then they did before the tax cuts. Guess what, still a tax cut for the 1%
2. Trump's intent is to reduce or completely destroy payroll taxes. Trump and the Republicans have somehow convinced the majority of America that payroll taxes are evil; when in fact they are YOUR forced retirement savings and our public safety net. He has convinced us that we shouldnt increase taxes on income, capital gains or on businesses, but that your forced retirement that you have been paying into should be absolved. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2a. Trump REALLY showed his complete and utter lack of understanding for the lower and middle class by forcing govt employees (and giving options to companies) under $100k gross, to nix payroll taxes through the end of 2020. First, he is "saving" you from saving for your own retirement with SS and Medicare. Second, he is expecting you to pay back these taxes at the beginning of 2021. The lower and middle class already struggle with balancing a budget, and living paycheck to paycheck. You want to give them some money to pour into the economy right before the election; and then stiff them with a bill that most will not expect at the beginning of 2021. These are the same people that can least absorb a big bill at once. This is possibly the douchiest thing I have heard of in my life regarding taxes. It's a blatant "buy the election to uneducated populace"; and screw em right after. Disgusting, these arent just words, these are actions that directly affect people's ability to live. This also sets a very bad precedent for blatantly buying votes. Ugh DISGUSTING, ugh I just cant get over this fucking ridiculousness; what a sewage rat.
3. Biden's tax policies are not the "socialist propaganda" that the right would like you to believe. I am fiscally conservative; but when I researched his policies I realized just how ridiculous these accusations are. The policies may not fix the budget gap (guess what republicans dont either), but they are fairly conservative considering the accusations. Biden's policies WILL cost those make more than ~$450k and $1M MAGI. Good, this income level has seen a reduction in taxes for years, while our budget gap widens.
I usually stay out of these; as political and social ideologies strike passion and is mostly based on one's own upbringing and viewpoint. Guess what? Your pocketbook doesn't care if Trump is named Big Douche and Biden is named Giant Turd. It's still going to cost you the same.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 09:39 AM)SlimKlim Wrote: So yeah I do know you in passing but I'd rather not.
Well, that's up to you, I suppose. I'm sorry you feel that way. Enjoy your life.
For you (and anyone else who feels the same), the ignore function works thusly:
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(09-24-2020, 09:40 AM)D_Eclipse9916 Wrote: If you can't vote for Biden based on Trump's view of social justice; at least vote based on your pocketbook.
This at least is somewhat compelling. Personally, I've seen a reduction in the strict amount of taxes I paid last year, although that may change. I hesitate to jump on an "eat the rich" train, which I think is part of what sunk Warren so badly. The idea of a "wealth tax" is appalling to me, even if it impacts a wealth level I'll never achieve.
Not sure I'm crazy about the idea of "forced retirement spending" especially when it feeds a system as broken and wrongheaded as social security, but I at least can understand why a temporary payroll tax "relief" is...extremely stupid.
To be honest, Biden's tax plan is about the best I could expect from a Democrat.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - G.Irish - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 08:49 AM)HAULN-SS Wrote: Are you implying the FBI wasn't involved and incompetent? I think that is the willfully ignorant part. Read the timeline of events in the Horowitz report. Then remember every time you see Carter pages name that he was working for the CIA and the guy that changed an email saying he wasn't plead guilty just lately for making the change. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/abbreviated%20timeline%20horowitz.pdf
They absolutely did not want him to become President. We don't have to wonder if it happened.
I meant exactly what I said. The FBI is responsible for counterintelligence investigations, the FBI launched a properly predicated investigation into the Trump campaign due to suspicious contacts with Russian nationals, and as a result of that investigation, 7 members of the Trump campaign have been convicted of crimes.
The Horowitz report disputes none of that. It says that the FBI made omissions and errors in fact in obtaining FISA warrants, particularly in the case of Carter Page. Page was not a source for the CIA since 2013. The Horowitz report states clearly that there was a proper predicate for the investigation and that the investigation was not started due to political bias.
The worst you can say is that FBI agents conspired against Carter Page to surveil him when they might not have had enough justification to do so had they not cooked their FISA applications.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - *insertusernamehere* - 09-24-2020
Voting for third party at this moment in time is like trying to ask your wife to fuck at her Dads funeral. Absolutely within your right, absolutely expressive and representative of your truest deepest heartfelt feelings and worth every request of a divorce. Maybe you should wait a while before you push that agenda, maybe when its more appropriate and likely to succeed.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 10:09 AM)*insertusernamehere* Wrote: Voting for third party at this moment in time is like trying to ask your wife to fuck at her Dads funeral. Absolutely within your right, absolutely expressive and representative of your truest deepest heartfelt feelings and worth every request of a divorce. Maybe you should wait a while before you push that agenda, maybe when its more appropriate and likely to succeed.
"Please stand by your principles when it's more convenient for me, thanks."
Look, it's not some kind of lack of understanding of what you're saying here. I GET your argument. "Every possible vote needs to go to the candidate we've decided is the most likely to beat the Wretch In Chief."
I *reject* your argument. That argument is what got us Trump in the first place, and if politicians want my vote, they're going to have to earn it, not just get it by default. If everyone treated their vote this way, we wouldn't be in this situation.
So actually, I think the precise time to "push that agenda" is now.
At the same time, I haven't actually told anyone what to do with their vote. I've said with no ambiguity what I'm going to do with mine, so the only agenda I'm pushing to vote third party is my own.
Meanwhile, a whole slew of people seem to think they know who I ought to vote for better than me.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 09:51 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:(09-24-2020, 09:39 AM)SlimKlim Wrote: So yeah I do know you in passing but I'd rather not.
Well, that's up to you, I suppose. I'm sorry you feel that way. Enjoy your life.
For you (and anyone else who feels the same), the ignore function works thusly:
(09-24-2020, 09:40 AM)D_Eclipse9916 Wrote: If you can't vote for Biden based on Trump's view of social justice; at least vote based on your pocketbook.
This at least is somewhat compelling. Personally, I've seen a reduction in the strict amount of taxes I paid last year, although that may change. I hesitate to jump on an "eat the rich" train, which I think is part of what sunk Warren so badly. The idea of a "wealth tax" is appalling to me, even if it impacts a wealth level I'll never achieve.
Not sure I'm crazy about the idea of "forced retirement spending" especially when it feeds a system as broken and wrongheaded as social security, but I at least can understand why a temporary payroll tax "relief" is...extremely stupid.
To be honest, Biden's tax plan is about the best I could expect from a Democrat.
Yeah, unfortunately the gravy trains ends as the tax cuts for our income group is being rolled back. Part of the initial plan. Some were hoping we would undergo another revision and they wouldn't be rolled back...but that looks like it won't happen.
"Wealth tax" and "eat the rich" is the name used to vilify. It's a progressive tax bracket with rules and exemptions that now mean the effective tax rate on keeps getting lower on "the wealthy" under our current system. I don't suggest we go back to the 50-70% in years past, but establish a more progressive effective tax bracket and roll back some of these tax cuts aimed squarely at those who make the most. The more I make in business and passive income, the more I realize that the more I make; the less I will pay in effective taxes compared to my W2. It's lopsided one way, we need to bring it back more center.
I also understand your sentiment on forced retirement spending. But unfortunately people are short sighted and without some sort of forced retirement; we will end up eating these people into a system that costs us far more. I would rather force people to put some money into forced retirement out of their own paychecks vs completely paying for them out of my paycheck later on in life. Social Security isnt perfect; but it's the net we need to make sure our neighbors have some sort of retirement vs becoming destitute and relying completely on the system.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - *insertusernamehere* - 09-24-2020
No its convenient for you too but like most short sighted americans you'd rather wait until its too late to scramble.