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- ScottyB - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:just like the millions of people "oh, by driving this here v8 truck to haul around my 2 kids and nothing else, i have such a small effect on everything." given enough of anything in small amounts, it begins to equal large amounts.
i understand you. dumping excess sand into drainage systems ain't natural.
my point was that sand isn't much of a problem in the grand scheme of all kinds of erosion and runoff. if anything you only have sand on the road for maybe a month out of the year, but you will have runoff/erosion all year. sand is highly mobile too and gets carried pretty easily downstream.
and really, if i was going to look at sand as an issue i'd probably look at racing a car (guzzle gas), mountain biking (eroding trails), etc (i'm busting balls at this point :lol: ) before getting worried about granules of dirt on the road.
i can't believe how off topic these forums can get, it's awesome
- .RJ - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:please, tell me where i was wrong. a few posts up i asked you to quote me if i was, and i'd gladly admit fault if you can.
We'll start with this:
Mike Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:yea but they are doing it at construction sites to keep the foundation from washing away until they can build the proper reataining wall/plant trees, not to keep dirt out of the river.
wrong.
And the rest was assinine circular arguments to back it up.
Erosion is a massive problem. Its caused the destruction of lots of societies. Sand on the road is not a problem, in the big picture.
- Apoc - 01-24-2007
Sijray21 Wrote:i still think purchasing a snow blower (checked prices around $300 and more) for the DC metro area is a little overkill.
It was free, why not use it if it can get the job done quicker?
Mike Wrote:i didn't decide to stay home, i had no reason to leave.
Man you really are doing the semantic dance.
I had no reason to leave or shovel/blow my driveway and yet I did. Why does the use of a machine make me lazy when you doing nothing isn't? Just say you're lazy too and at least you're consistant.
- Mike - 01-24-2007
.RJ Wrote:Mike Wrote:please, tell me where i was wrong. a few posts up i asked you to quote me if i was, and i'd gladly admit fault if you can.
We'll start with this:
Mike Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:yea but they are doing it at construction sites to keep the foundation from washing away until they can build the proper reataining wall/plant trees, not to keep dirt out of the river.
wrong.
And the rest was assinine circular arguments to back it up.
Erosion is a massive problem. Its caused the destruction of lots of societies. Sand on the road is not a problem, in the big picture.
well, he was wrong. he was contradicting what lee (i'm going to call him our expert) had said. the barriers are there for erosion and sediment control. if sediment was as small an issue as you seem to think it is, lee likely would not have even known about it.
again, not once did i say erosion is not an issue. it is, and a huge one.
sand = sediment
sediment = bad
sand = bad
- Mike - 01-24-2007
Apoc Wrote:Man you really are doing the semantic dance.
i know, i thought it was funny
seriously though, i had no reason to leave the driveway (caitlin's car got around just fine and was parked in the street) so why shovel? maybe because i'm lazy? although, is shoveling really a must-do? DANCE DANCE.so my question to you: why did you feel the need to clear your driveway?
- Evan - 01-24-2007
where is our environmental consultant when we need him?
- Andy - 01-24-2007
Evan Wrote:where is our environmental consultant when we need him?
patiently waiting . . .
- Kaan - 01-24-2007
the one day he takes a break from the MM forum... and we have this kinda shoot out! way to go rob!
- Mike - 01-24-2007
for all your environmental needs?
seriously, i'm patiently waiting for him too. it might border on hilarious.
- Kaan - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:it might border on hilarious.
now thats something i'll agree with!
- Apoc - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:so my question to you: why did you feel the need to clear your driveway?
I didn't really feel the need... I actually wanted to because it was the first snow of the year and I'm retarded like that. I got through one pass before I decided a power tool would make it more funner, and faster.
- Andy - 01-24-2007
http://www.epa.gov/region1/topics/water/pdfs/winterfacts.pdf
Eventhough we all know that Mike doesn't actually give a shit about salt in our water table and all this bitching back and forth was pointless, I've found a source that appears to support Mike's point.
- Mike - 01-24-2007
yeah, see? i think people shovel just to do it... whether or not they even have to... it's like... a natural tendency or something like that (yes, i totally chose the wrong words).
- Kaan - 01-24-2007
but no this cant be true! this would mean that global warming and the melting of the caps is not happening!
edit: pssssshhhhhh the EPA isnt a credible sourse.
- Mike - 01-24-2007
Andy Wrote:http://www.epa.gov/region1/topics/water/pdfs/winterfacts.pdf
Eventhough we all know that Mike doesn't actually give a shit about salt in our water table and all this bitching back and forth was pointless, I've found a source that appears to support Mike's point.
that is totally uncalled for! how dare you bring that hippie epa bullshit in here!
- Apoc - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:yeah, see? i think people shovel just to do it... whether or not they even have to... it's like... a natural tendency or something like that (yes, i totally chose the wrong words).
I was one of two people in the 12 houses around me to do it.
In the dead of winter it can turn into a solid ice if you run over it a few times though and that shit's a bitch.
- .RJ - 01-24-2007
Mike Wrote:well, he was wrong. he was contradicting what lee (i'm going to call him our expert) had said. the barriers are there for erosion and sediment control.
You said they were there to keep sand out of our rivers, not for erosion control. Thats what you were wrong about. Lee didnt say that, Chad did.
I'm done.
- WRXtranceformed - 01-24-2007
Yeah that was the only point I was trying to make. Chad is right, you want to keep soil where it is so that you can preserve that area for the future. However, the VA and federal DEQs main concern is runoff from unstabilized areas when their focus is on construction sites. Excess sediment caused by development can have a huge environmental impact on everything in the watershed.. from small streams to eventually the Chesapeake Bay. Not only are sediments a concern, but also runoff from impervious surfaces that have been created within that development. Ironically, I used to study this in middle-high school for science fair projects, and now my life came around to have to deal with it first hand.
Concrete runoff is a HUGE one. The DEQ is extremely strict with proper concrete washout areas. Although Chad had one of the points down, I can tell you the two main reasons why most new homes builders put up silt fence:
1) It looks nice, helps to separate homesites under construction (improves community appearance, therefore helping sales)
2) If they don't follow sediment control plans, they face huge fines. I'm talking tens of thousands of dollars, even worse for repeat offenses.
So, in a nutshell, money is the driving factor heh. But those are the main reasons the DEQ cares about them.
EDIT: I'm by no means an expert on this stuff, but I can only tell you guys what I've experienced first hand. Environmental quality is a huge deal nowadays, and the government can only hit big builders and developers where it hurts them to get the point across: the wallet.
- Apoc - 01-24-2007
This thread rocks.
- Mike - 01-24-2007
.RJ Wrote:Mike Wrote:well, he was wrong. he was contradicting what lee (i'm going to call him our expert) had said. the barriers are there for erosion and sediment control.
You said they were there to keep sand out of our rivers, not for erosion control. Thats what you were wrong about. Lee didnt say that, Chad did.
I'm done.
jesus h
sand gets in our rivers and is bad, therefore it is sediment.
if sediment weren't bad, construction zones would not put up barriers to control it.
not once did i tie sand and the barriers together, that must have been your imagination.
sand is sediment, but not all sediment is sand.
edit: anyway, lee says the major concern is concrete runoff/sediment. you do know what concrete is made of, right? :lol: not my point at all, but i found it funny.