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- Evan - 08-15-2007
white_2kgt Wrote:That's fine, I'll get another instructor or ask for a refund since I've followed all the 'rules' put in writing before me.lol. get your DE money back? from nasa? good luck with that!
Apoc Wrote:Read: I lost the argument but I'm not going to admit it.then you need to learn to read
Read: your semantic games and red herrings dont make a bit of difference to how things actually work.
- Apoc - 08-15-2007
I can't hear you... lalallallalalallalalaaaa
- Maengelito - 08-15-2007
Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:Sign up for a HPDE, request me as an instructor and show up with a driver raceseat/harness and stock in the passenger seat.
You can claim to be "right" all you want while you sit in the paddock during your sessions.
...or just go out and win the HPDE4 Championship!
he'd have to beat mikey for it
- Mike - 08-16-2007
Maengelito Wrote:Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:Sign up for a HPDE, request me as an instructor and show up with a driver raceseat/harness and stock in the passenger seat.
You can claim to be "right" all you want while you sit in the paddock during your sessions.
...or just go out and win the HPDE4 Championship!
he'd have to beat mikey for it
puhlease... i'm not even close. you're the only competition in my eyes.
- .RJ - 08-16-2007
I sent an email to Grumpy....
- white_2kgt - 08-16-2007
.RJ Wrote:I sent an email to Grumpy....
In the mean time here's the same discussion on NASAForums,
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Pretty clear where Nationals stand, the issue at hand is NOT what each region will do/won't do when an instructor says "I won't get in that car" the discussion was how is the rules written, well these the rule writers right there telling everyone what the rule means.
- Maengelito - 08-16-2007
Mike Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:Sign up for a HPDE, request me as an instructor and show up with a driver raceseat/harness and stock in the passenger seat.
You can claim to be "right" all you want while you sit in the paddock during your sessions.
...or just go out and win the HPDE4 Championship!
he'd have to beat mikey for it
puhlease... i'm not even close. you're the only competition in my eyes.
with my heavier car, with lower power, smaller brakes and non sticky tires... good work mikey
- .RJ - 08-16-2007
white_2kgt Wrote:In the mean time here's the same discussion on NASAForums,
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Still no clear consensus on what constitutes "equal restraints"
Quote:Pretty clear where Nationals stand, the issue at hand is NOT what each region will do/won't do when an instructor says "I won't get in that car"
I'm glad the regional chief instructors will back up the instructors on that, looks like NASA national is taking a big cop-out on it.
Jerry Kunzman Wrote:Since you have stated that you do not feel safe riding with anyone unless the provided safety equipment matches what the driver has, you no longer even have that option.
- white_2kgt - 08-16-2007
.RJ Wrote:I'm glad the regional chief instructors will back up the instructors on that, looks like NASA national is taking a big cop-out on it.
Jerry Kunzman Wrote:Since you have stated that you do not feel safe riding with anyone unless the provided safety equipment matches what the driver has, you no longer even have that option.
Well, it's pretty clear from the 'tone' where Nationals stands regarding to how the rules are written, and regarding the 'cop out' does that really surprise you?
- .RJ - 08-16-2007
No surprise... especially knowing how HPDE is handled on the left coast.
The nasa national people's responses are ambiguous but I think I know which way they are leaning, unfortunately.
- Evan - 08-16-2007
Chad you're still caught up on the CCR as if thats the only thing that matters.
quote it all you want, but the CCR is NOT the bible when it comes to DE. Until a couple years ago DE stuff wasnt even in the CCR. The mid-a DE practices are 100% homegrown which is a good thing, the west coast program is vastly different.
Regional practices are what matter. You can make a big stink all you want about what the CCR says, you are going to come across as a big whiner at a DE if you do. And you're going to sit for a couple sessions until an instructor is found that is dumb enough to get in your car.
You arent an instructor since you wouldnt know (and remember, we are talking instruction here, not just passengers) and instructors are specifically told by the chief of instruction not to get in a car with unequal restraints, or to tell the student not to use theirs.
And the CCR most certainly doesnt apply to other clubs that also this policy, we arent talking nasa only.
- Mike - 08-16-2007
Maengelito Wrote:Mike Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:Sign up for a HPDE, request me as an instructor and show up with a driver raceseat/harness and stock in the passenger seat.
You can claim to be "right" all you want while you sit in the paddock during your sessions.
...or just go out and win the HPDE4 Championship!
he'd have to beat mikey for it
puhlease... i'm not even close. you're the only competition in my eyes.
with my heavier car, with lower power, smaller brakes and non sticky tires... good work mikey
excuses. wrong-wheel-drive, nigga!
- white_2kgt - 08-16-2007
Evan Wrote:Chad you're still caught up on the CCR as if thats the only thing that matters.
quote it all you want, but the CCR is NOT the bible when it comes to DE. Until a couple years ago DE stuff wasnt even in the CCR. The mid-a DE practices are 100% homegrown which is a good thing, the west coast program is vastly different.
Regional practices are what matter. You can make a big stink all you want about what the CCR says, you are going to come across as a big whiner at a DE if you do. And you're going to sit for a couple sessions until an instructor is found that is dumb enough to get in your car.
You arent an instructor since you wouldnt know (and remember, we are talking instruction here, not just passengers) and instructors are specifically told by the chief of instruction not to get in a car with unequal restraints, or to tell the student not to use theirs.
And the CCR most certainly doesnt apply to other clubs that also this policy, we arent talking nasa only.
When are you going to get it in YOUR head that we are talking about how the CCR is written, not what actually goes on. It's pretty clear that the region directors CAN and DO implement what they want and back their instructors if they fell a car isn't safe. All I have been saying, all along is how the CCR is written, PERIOD.
Evan Wrote:and instructors are specifically told by the chief of instruction not to get in a car with unequal restraints, or to tell the student not to use theirs.
Wheres the logic there? :roll: I can't wait for that little tidbit to actually make it in a rule book somewhere.
- Evan - 08-16-2007
white_2kgt Wrote:When are you going to get it in YOUR head that we are talking about how the CCR is written, not what actually goes on. It's pretty clear that the region directors CAN and DO implement what they want and back their instructors if they fell a car isn't safe. All I have been saying, all along is how the CCR is written, PERIOD.lol, no Chad, thats what you have been talking about and clinging to. You brought up the nasa CCR, where it doesnt apply.
"What actually goes on" = reality = the original question = what we are talking about
But its good to hear you admit that what you have to say has no real basis in reality.
- white_2kgt - 08-16-2007
Evan Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:When are you going to get it in YOUR head that we are talking about how the CCR is written, not what actually goes on. It's pretty clear that the region directors CAN and DO implement what they want and back their instructors if they fell a car isn't safe. All I have been saying, all along is how the CCR is written, PERIOD.lol, no Chad, thats what you have been talking about and clinging to. You brought up the nasa CCR, where it doesnt apply.
"What actually goes on" = reality = the original question = what we are talking about
But its good to hear you admit that what you have to say has no real basis in reality.
And it's good to see you admit you are unable to interpret a rule book.
- Apoc - 08-16-2007
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
- Mike - 08-16-2007
poo breath?
- Apoc - 08-16-2007
lol... you should totally post it