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- G.Irish - 08-10-2005
Evan Wrote:Im dissapointed in you G, you should know better than to make silly magazine racing comparisons
Most of the favorable press that the Evo has gotten has centered around the better feel of the car. Quicker rack, better seats, etc. Perceived improvements, not real performance improvements. Any real track car has buckets anyway.
Wrong. Every test I've seen has shown the Evo to be faster in lap times, a purely objective measure. Maybe the drivers couldn't extract the best performance from the STi but I can only go by what I've seen and read and not what 'might' be. I don't really go by the objective measures because I disagree with them a lot of the time.
One could say the Evo is faster around the track because its faster in a straight line but that would be wrong because the STi is the faster one in a straight line. The difference is purely in the suspension tuning, especially since they stop in similar distances
The STi has the front LSD but I think it suffers from a slightly undersized rear sway bar. I like the STi's interior better too and again, it'd be the car I'd chose. But to discount the Evo as merely a drag machine or a big numbers machine is wrong. Stock for stock it can cut and carve just as well and better than the STi.
The difference could merely be in more aggressive shocks and springs in the Evo, but there's no way to know that until we see Evo's and STi's racing in the US.
- Mike - 08-10-2005
i'm with g on this one. EVERY review i've read (and there have been many) has said the evo is faster. would i choose it over the sti? hell no - poor dealer support, crappy interior, unreliable.
- Sijray21 - 08-10-2005
Mike Wrote:i'm with g on this one. EVERY review i've read (and there have been many) has said the evo is faster. would i choose it over the sti? hell no - poor dealer support, crappy interior, unreliable.
what's so unreliable about it? I drove one and i liked it. I like the interior of the Sti better, but i wouldn't call the Evo's "crappy" by any means. The seats were more snug and the feel of the car was incredible, i felt like i was in a small go-kart or something. I haven't read a lot of articles about the two, but i've read about 5-6 from popular magazines and they seem about equal.
(gone looking for more ariticles)
- ScottyB - 08-10-2005
theguywiththeSi Wrote:what's so unreliable about it?
weak factory clutch and transfer case. poor fit and finish. RJ even mentioned a while back that someone he knew had an evo that had a break line come loose during a track outing.
i would consider the evo if it had better factory support as well. too bad really, because it's an excellent car with a seriously amazing pedigree and racing history.
- Sijray21 - 08-10-2005
ScottyB Wrote:RJ even mentioned a while back that someone he knew had an evo that had a break line come loose during a track outing.
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hock: ....that's a wee-bit frightening
- Ginger - 08-10-2005
theguywiththeSi Wrote:ScottyB Wrote:RJ even mentioned a while back that someone he knew had an evo that had a break line come loose during a track outing.
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....that's a wee-bit frightening
It's only one line... you've got four
- .RJ - 08-10-2005
That and the interior falls apart... brake problems.. transmission problems.
That wouldnt be so terrible but the dealership avoids fixing the cars at nearly all costs under the warranty. I wouldnt be suprised if a class action lawsuit comes because of this. Mitsu is losing their ass big time on the 0% financing and warranty fiascos.
- Ginger - 08-10-2005
Hasn't Mitsu been circling the drain for about five years now?
- Evan - 08-10-2005
G.Irish Wrote:Wrong. Every test I've seen has shown the Evo to be faster in lap times, a purely objective measure. Maybe the drivers couldn't extract the best performance from the STi but I can only go by what I've seen and read and not what 'might' be. I don't really go by the objective measures because I disagree with them a lot of the time.eh, Its still stupid bench racing. I read a magazine comparo just the other day where the STi was in fact a couple tenths faster on the laptime. Either way, the cars are close enough stock for stock to be considered pretty much equal. I wasnt saying that the STi is a vastly better car stock, I said I personally think it would make a better track car. The stock STi suspension is pretty bad, which is going to make a big difference in the magazine jerkoff reviews, but not on a track car that you are going to rip off the stock shit anyway. As is, the STi has a good bit of understeer tuned in from the factory. Some more rear spring and rear bar would help the STi immensely. The STi is a better starting point with much better potential as a trackcar.
- Evan - 08-10-2005
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Did any of you guys ever watch the Top Gear with the EVO vs. STI shootout? I seem to remember the STI having way more understeer (?) than the EVO, and lost out around their track to it. I think the overall fit and finish of the interior of the STI is nicer than the EVO, aside from the fucking retarded pink everywhere you look heh.The EVO v STi TG shootout that I have from a couple years ago (bugeye) has the STi winning by a nice margin.
These cars have been leapfrogging each other for a while now. Competition is great.
- ScottyB - 08-10-2005
Evan Wrote:The STi is a better starting point with much better potential as a trackcar.
i agree with you if you're comparing the STi to the standard Evo but comparing the STi to the MR makes it even tougher, especially with the Evo having far better (than regular) suspension in that form, 6 speeds, and a better power curve.
ultimately i agree with you about the STi though, especially after reading about how robustly the important parts are built.
- Maengelito - 08-10-2005
i think they are both fine cars, but mitsu motors has been in the shitter for some time. mitsu heavy industries wont be going anywhere, but there motors division has been tanking steadily. fuji heavy industries (suby's parent company) builds aircraft engines and all sorts of equipment in japan. that gives me some confidence in their design. the STi's understeer is horrendous, but nothing a bigger rear bar cant solve. i hear all sorts of horror stories about the evo's tranny being like glass, but dont have any concrete evidence to back that up. i figure thats just ricers doing a 7k clutch dump at every stop light and then wondering why their tranny is shot. the STi's 6 speed i believe is a porsche designed getrag tranny and i figure porsche designers might have a slight clue on what theyre doing. i've read a shit ton of reviews comparing the evo and STi and it seems like the evo wins in laptimes but all the editors have chosen the STi when asked to pick between the two. just my two cents from an extremely biased viewpoint.
- .RJ - 08-10-2005
But whats really important is - which one has the bigger wing?
- Maengelito - 08-10-2005
.RJ Wrote:But whats really important is - which one has the bigger wing?
![[Image: normal_wingshowdown%232.jpg]](http://www.mmsports.org/members/albums/userpics/10012/normal_wingshowdown%232.jpg)
- ScottyB - 08-10-2005
.RJ Wrote:But whats really important is - which one has the bigger wing?
do carbon inserts and vorteX gen3ratoRs count for anything?
- Mike - 08-10-2005
Maengelito Wrote:i figure porsche designers might have a slight clue on what theyre doing.
bahahahah *gasp* *sip of beer* bahahahaha
- Feersty - 08-10-2005
I don't think that anyone in MM would buy a Evo, so it is really a mute point. I know I wouldn't get one from what I have heard you say.
- WRXtranceformed - 08-10-2005
I would get one =p
- Mike - 08-10-2005
a) moot
b) yes they would
- Feersty - 08-10-2005
How many meetings you been to Lee? ha