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- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Does anybody wanna do me another favor? Im talking to another person about a hb (cx), arround 2k i believe. I just got pictures, and im looking for some suggestions about whether the price is right for the condition of the car. Just leave your email down here and ill send the pics. Thanks guys!
BTW ill be here all day, checking like every 5 min haha so anybody feel free.
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Evan Wrote:coupes are lighter and stiffer. Ive had both, and my hatch is a wet noodle in comparison, with a lot of bonus squeaks and rattles.
I didnt realize coupes are lighter than hatches. Is there a reason for this?
- ScottyB - 06-09-2005
damnit458 Wrote:Evan Wrote:coupes are lighter and stiffer. Ive had both, and my hatch is a wet noodle in comparison, with a lot of bonus squeaks and rattles.
I didnt realize coupes are lighter than hatches. Is there a reason for this?
probably because the hatch has more glass.....glass is pretty damn heavy.
- Mike - 06-09-2005
damnit458 Wrote:Does anybody wanna do me another favor? Im talking to another person about a hb (cx), arround 2k i believe. I just got pictures, and im looking for some suggestions about whether the price is right for the condition of the car. Just leave your email down here and ill send the pics. Thanks guys!
BTW ill be here all day, checking like every 5 min haha so anybody feel free.
visit my website for my e-mail address. i'm not posting it here
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
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- Mike - 06-09-2005
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- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Obviously not to pretty on the outside.
It runs fine though, and is the model I want.
Worth $2k?
Edit: Thanks mike
- Mike - 06-09-2005
front end is jacked, mismatched wheels, teal is awful, it has 73hp, rear bumper needs repainting.
you can find better.
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Mike Wrote:front end is jacked, mismatched wheels, teal is awful, it has 73hp, rear bumper needs repainting.
you can find better.
Wheels, color, and hp doesnt matter to me. Ill have more than enough for a swap by the end of the summer when I head back to JMU, and we always have hands for it.
The painting is a negative, along with the front end. How much money would the both of those cost to fix?
- Mike - 06-09-2005
Certainly not much. Pick up a cf hood (or fiberglass), get both bumpers and that painted... Probably a few hundred.
The way I looked at cars, if they look like shit they generally are. I got a mint condition hatch with a motor and some other minor things done for $4k. All you have to do is look and be patient.
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Mike Wrote:Certainly not much. Pick up a cf hood (or fiberglass), get both bumpers and that painted... Probably a few hundred.
The way I looked at cars, if they look like shit they generally are. I got a mint condition hatch with a motor and some other minor things done for $4k. All you have to do is look and be patient.
Good reasoning, although we differ a bit in what we are looking for. Part of this experience is putting in a motor myself (MM help included). I figure theres no better way to learn than to do that. Thus, the engine doesnt matter. The same goes for anything else. While I wouldn't mind a car that came w/shocks and springs, I am more than willing to buy something cheaper and do it myself. I want to learn about everything, and I figure this is the way to go about that.
Aesthetics (spelling?) such as mismatching wheels/paint dont matter to me, so forget about that. Im going to strip the inside soon enough so that also makes no difference. All im looking for is engine runs well (accordingly for age) enough. Mint would be nice, given.
However, you make a good point about the overall condition. If it does look like shit it probably was treated that way. \Ill definitly take a closer look. The one thing I dont want to do this summer is settle for something I dont want. I wont make that mistake with something as important as a car.
- Mike - 06-09-2005
Quite simply, that car is not worth 2k. How many miles are on it? If less than 150k the most I'd pay for it is prolly (Evan, I use this because it is shorter. Anyways is not shorter than the correct way of saying what you wanted to) 1400ish.
- .RJ - 06-09-2005
damnit458 Wrote:Good reasoning, although we differ a bit in what we are looking for. Part of this experience is putting in a motor myself (MM help included). I figure theres no better way to learn than to do that. Thus, the engine doesnt matter. The same goes for anything else. While I wouldn't mind a car that came w/shocks and springs, I am more than willing to buy something cheaper and do it myself. I want to learn about everything, and I figure this is the way to go about that.
You say you dont care about any of this stuff - the motor, the suspension, the body, etc but how much do you realistically plan on putting into this car and doing with it? Swapping motors, body work, etc gets expensive fast.
Do you have the budget (both money and time) for something like this? Many of us have gotten balls deep into projects that we didnt realistically estimate (and grossly underestimated) what it would cost to 'complete' the project to an acceptable state - and many times sold the project before completion at a huge loss on our investments. If you do have the time and money and can deal with the car being busted and/or immobile for long periods of time then by all means go for it - but make a plan and add up the costs before hand, you will be really suprised - I know I was when I started making a 'plan' for my Integra.
There are plenty of better ways to go about learning how to wrench than taking something that has every major component that is worn out and needs replacing or refreshing. My advice to you is to save some money, find someone else's "project car" thats had most of the big things done with it and go from there. Its a 10+ year old car, and will certainly keep you plenty busy with things to learn about with maintenance and other things you want to change. The most important thing you will need to learn when looking for a project is patience and not jumping on the first thing you see. Take some time, and take a look at several cars to get a good idea of exactly what you're getting into - there will always be another "great deal" somewhere soon.
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
Mike Wrote:Quite simply, that car is not worth 2k. How many miles are on it? If less than 150k the most I'd pay for it is prolly (Evan, I use this because it is shorter. Anyways is not shorter than the correct way of saying what you wanted to) 1400ish.lol I hope you insert that everytime you say prolly from now on :wink:
thanks for your opinion, thats why i posted it on here. Since Im a little new to this its good to have ppl who know the value of stuff. Anyways ill see what I can do w/him, and probably keep looking (I doubt he'll go down that much, but so be it).
- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
I do have the time and money for this, thats not an issue. Those are actually my smallest constraints. Time wise I have nothing to do but school for 3 years. Money wise I now have a constant summer job paying relativly well for my age, and I work at school; not to mention I have no money restrictions on me at this point (THE only other place my money will be going is to about $300 worth of insurance every year until the end of college).
Learning wise ill take what you said into consideration. :thumbup:
As for having the car immobilized for periods of time, that is also fine. I take the train to work now and can take the bus to school from where im living next year.
- Mike - 06-09-2005
no no no... unless your parents are helping you out, you don't have the money. things snowball... fast. trust me, i've been there. i drove an incredibly busted puile until about now. the only thing broken on it or needing replacement or not sucking is the clutch, which is being done tonight. like ryan said, every major component will need to be replaced on that car (check my frankenstein thread).
i estimated that i'd spend maybe 6k on my car (including initial cost). i did a rough estimate last night and i'm pretty sure it's closer to 5 digits with all the nickle and dime shit.
- .RJ - 06-09-2005
damnit458 Wrote:I do have the time and money for this, thats not an issue.
Post your budget then.
Not to knock you, but I doubt you've run the numbers, done the research and prepared a spreadsheet and a project plan with goals. What are your goals anyways? You can do that without a basketcase. Just to have fun and wrench? It wont be very fun when you're tired of driving a headache and tired of replacing worn out stuff all the time and buying more parts. And also keep in mind you will never recoup any of your investment in time or money when you sell it later (dont say you'll keep it either, you wont).
These projects snowball out of control really quickly - things that are easily dismissed out of thought because "that isnt much money" (i've been there) are the biggest part of your budget and will really fuck up your spending. Originally I thought i'd put $4-5K into this Integra and have it track ready the way I want it - and that isnt going to happen, even with removing quite a few things from the budget and getting a free cage I'm still going to be way over the original estimate. Sit down and add it up before diving headfirst into it. The deep end is a lot deeper than you think.
Even though you say you are being paid well for your age, do you have $5k sitting around to dump into it right now? (which I estimate the minimum expenditure for a project with this level of busted shit) You cant bank on what you will have, because other things always come up (going out, vacation, girlfriend/whores, gas, insurance, books, etc) that will eat up your expected cash flow real quickly.
- G.Irish - 06-09-2005
It depends on his goals. Obviously if he intends to race/thrash his car as hard as you do then he'll need a lot more money. If he intends to do an event here and there he might be ok.
I do agree that costs pile up very quickly though. This racecar build is outrunning my budget without even breaking a sweat
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- damnit458 - 06-09-2005
I understand both of your points. Originally I had gone in there thikning id spend 6-8k and be done w/it, but ive read to many horror storries on here about shit going wrong. I understand you've spent over 10k, but over how long a period has it been?
RJ, all I have to pay for is part of ($300 worth a year) insurance over the next few years (and the obvious bullshit like g/f's and such that you said). Add gas to that. I dont pay for books/tuition. My budget? I did the calculations (and have already been offered this job again for next summer and winter break). I will make just over 5000 this summer. I figure over teh summer ill spend about $1k, leaving me with 4. I entered this summer with $1k, which means I should leave this summer with about 5 grand (obviously not taking into consideration the car).
At school last year, making bullshit money (working for dining services) I pulled in about 350 a month, taking 18 credits worth of classes. I spent a TOTAL of 130 dollars over the spring semester. I DO NOT spend money at all at school, seeing as I never have the urge to. Working just until winter break would give me about $1400. Take away my usual amount, we'll even double it to take into account me spending more next year), say 300. thats about 1000 a semester. Ill work here over winter break. ETC ETC
Next summer, Ill rise a grade in the government, making even more than I do now.
5 grand this summer
2 for the whole school year
1 for the winter here
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8 grand for the year. And that brings me into the next summer where ill pull in ATLEAST 5k (more because of my increasing rank).
You can go ahead and take another 1 away from that, for misc spending, just because Im sure a lot of you wont believe that I spend so little at school. That still leaves me with 6-7 grand till next summer.
I understand that this shit is a money pit. I understand the fact that when I sell it anything I do to it will make no difference whatsoever value-wise. In no way shape or form do I think I will own this for an extsenive time.
Goal-wise? I dont know. This is something I need to take into consideration and plan for. I want to do a lot of stuff to it, but I want to do it over time. I believe that I will be using this POS car until next summer, when I believe I will make enough money go through with any kind of swap I plan for. That means this car has to drive in Hburg, and to NOVA a few times. This also means that I have this year to spend money preparing it for any kind of swap. If something happens, I have alternative modes of transportation. Hell, my mom wouldn't even let me agree to live w/thayer until she knew Id be able to get arround w/o a car.
I will be receiving 0 dollars from my parents for any of this, except for insurance, which we have talked about.
I dont have 5 grand to dump into this thing right now, but what would require it? If something breaks, then it sits at my house waiting as I raise the money this summer and pay for it. My parents let me drive one of their cars, so I can get arround that way.
- .RJ - 06-09-2005
I'd still say hold off and keep looking for something that isnt such a huge "restoration" project.
Its easy to get excited about it now, but believe me you will get very tired of dealing with busted shit.