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- JackoliciousLegs - 11-07-2004
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Would I have been pulled over if I was in an 86 IROC with off road pipes, NO front tags and a huge number 8 sticker across the rear windshield?? Of course not.Damn straight!
- CaptainHenreh - 11-07-2004
KPWSerpiente Wrote:I will point out that the cop said, and I quote, "Can you please start your engine and give it about 2k rpm. When I pulled you over I had my windows up and I couldn't hear it." That is literally what the motherfucker said...how can it be excessive if he CANNOT hear it while driving right behind me...
I would bring that up in court. If the officer cannot hear your exhaust while following you with the windows up, I would say that the noise is not excessive, and the judge MIGHT agree with you.
They can't give you MORE than what you got, and your fines might be reduced, so I say take it to court. I also say we should get every MM member to sign a letter to the Governor, SEMA, and our Reps and Senators. Not saying it will do anything, but sitting with our thumbs up our asses doesn't do anything either.
- WRXtranceformed - 11-07-2004
Hey sorry to hear about your tickets dude =/ fuck the police !
I fortunately haven't been pulled over for excessive exhaust noise *knocks on wood* The magnaflow muffler on the T-XS TBE only sounds real loud in the upper rpms fortunately. But you're definitely right about the profiling, there's really no way around that =( If you had been driving a big dumb fucking beat-up Ford truck with straight pipes that was 10xs as loud as yours, no chance you'd get pulled over. Sounds like the officer was just bored.
I actually got a compliment on my car from the cop after the first speeding ticket I got in it =p
- Ginger - 11-07-2004
Everybody says that "x-vehicle variety" never gets pulled over.
Well, when was the last time you hung out with the crowd? Or even drove one of these vehicles long term?
I'm not saying anybody's wrong, but lets think about this. There are a couple of late model Camaros at Mason that are quite loud which I see pulled over rather often.... not to mention that I can think of MAYBE 4 or 5 examples of these muslce cars AND trucks that you guys are talking about whereas I can think of more examples than I care to count of quicker than average japanese speedsters.
Anybody care to run the percentages?
- Mike - 11-07-2004
Quote:i was in court for this, i've talked to lawyers... i'm passing on the info i know. you run something that isn't stock, you get a ticket... quite simple.
Travis Wrote:What the fuck Mike. I told you your opinion was worthless to me in this manner...you claim to talk to lawyers and such and yet you are still WRONG about this part of the law. Give it up. I mean seriously...what the fuck did I say...I'll say it again......COMPRABLE TO STOCK AND NOT PRODUCE EXCESSIVE NOISE.....THESE ARE SUBJECTIVE WORDS BITCH.
Get what ever is stuck in your ass out. I'm sick and tired of your fucking attitude, and I mean it. I wasn't even talking to you fucktard. I was responding to Rex. If you don't like what I had to say, blow me, or better yet - don't bother posting here!
- Mike - 11-07-2004
CaptainHenreh Wrote:I wonder how your defense would turn out if you measured your exhaust with a decibel meter before and after you installed your exhaust. I imagine you could say "2Db increase is hardly "excessive", don't you agree, your honor?" I wonder what would happen? After all, a police officer doesn't carry around an decible meter, so he can hardly say that an exhaust is "excessively" louder than stock.
I'm writing a letter to my senator and rep and Gov. Warner to ask that this code section be reviewed and revised, suggesting we adopt California standards for noise. It's rediculous.
The way I understood it (exactly as was explained to me by two lawyers) is that if it isn't OEM-style, it is illegal. That is all I know and all I claim. Subjective? Yes. Lame? Yes.
- WRXtranceformed - 11-07-2004
asteele2 Wrote:Everybody says that "x-vehicle variety" never gets pulled over.
Well, when was the last time you hung out with the crowd? Or even drove one of these vehicles long term?
I'm not saying anybody's wrong, but lets think about this. There are a couple of late model Camaros at Mason that are quite loud which I see pulled over rather often.... not to mention that I can think of MAYBE 4 or 5 examples of these muslce cars AND trucks that you guys are talking about whereas I can think of more examples than I care to count of quicker than average japanese speedsters.
Anybody care to run the percentages?
How do you know they were getting pulled over for an exhaust that is too loud ? Maybe they were speeding, rolled a stop sign, etc. Maybe they were getting profiled... cop saw a spark in the window and thought they were blazing up a blunt. Maybe it's the cops we should be asking =p
In my opinion, the bottom line is that any cop who gives someone a ticket for loud exhaust (unless it's excessively loud and distracting...aka setting off car alarms) is simply bored and being an asshole. What a waste of tax dollars~
- G.Irish - 11-07-2004
CaptainHenreh Wrote:1. I think G. was referring to the fact it was dumb that the cop gave you a ticket for the numbers and exhaust, not that you had it.
Thanks for clarifying that, I forgot to make a post to say that I think the laws are dumb not that Travis is dumb.
Those 2 laws are just another example of poorly written laws that are too subjective and just end up being another cudgel that overzealous law enforcement can use to beat on law-abiding citizens. I know the intent with the exhaust law was to cut down on obnoxiously loud aftermarket exhausts but instead it gives cops carte blanche to harass anyone who wants to modify their car.
I think a VA campaign to get the law reversed might work if we got some of the marque specific communities and NASA and SCCA involved. Don't know how many people have tried before but I'm sure plenty are not happy about this one.
- Feersty - 11-08-2004
I got a ticket for 20% window tint in an 1989 Buick Century fwiw.
- ViPER1313 - 11-08-2004
It's more about where you live than what type of car you drive. HBPD knows that 80% of the people in Harrisonburg are poor college kids - it makes their job really easy. It's all about making money. Out in Frederick MD, I have never seen a cop car clocking / ticketing people on back roads in the 4 years I have lived there. Not one. There are occasionally state cops patrolling Rt. 70, but with a scarcely populated area that has an older aged population, it is not in the police department's best interest to try to ticket people for speeding and illegal exhaust.
As long as you live in Harrisonburg, you should realize that the cops own you - it's that simple. You are an easy, poor target who isn't going to hire a lawyer to fight the case. And the vague state laws are in the cops favor. Another great example of HBPD's revenue making scheme is the 60mph speed limit on Rt. 81 around JMU - it's 65 on both sides of Harrisonburg.
Try to fight the citations, but as long as you are in Harrisonburg, be prepared to fight the man if you cross the line.
- Feersty - 11-08-2004
Do you think I can get away with putting the tint back on my front windows in NOVA? I got the ticket from a state trooper in Hburg.
- Mike - 11-08-2004
no. nova cops are far worse than hburg pd.
- bassmangrammy - 11-08-2004
Feersty Wrote:Never had a problem with my flowmaster. w00t
Yeah. Then someone should sue the exhault companies for aiding in a crime. (JUST KIDDING, I HATE LAW SUIT SHIT)
Chelsea's dad had flow masters on his denali and was never questioned about it. I don't have a front licence plate and I haven't been stopped because my car doesn't look fast. And what about all the F***ing rednecks with big trucks and giant exhaults.
And what about Mach Mustangs? Are the exhaults mods considered factory?
Someone should canvas the area cops to see if any of them have big trucks with big exhaults. I know one, but he's a cool cop so I wouldn't start anything against him.
I'm completely agree with T. Profiling is wrong and against the law. F*** the police.
- bassmangrammy - 11-08-2004
ViPER1313 Wrote:Another great example of HBPD's revenue making scheme is the 60mph speed limit on Rt. 81 around JMU - it's 65 on both sides of Harrisonburg.
They did that because of a traffic volume study on that section of 81, since townys use it as a way to get from one side of town to the other. The other specific reason for the change is if you are travelling WEST on 33 and turn to go SOUTH on 81, it's extremely hazardous.
- Mike - 11-08-2004
BassmanGrammy Wrote:ViPER1313 Wrote:Another great example of HBPD's revenue making scheme is the 60mph speed limit on Rt. 81 around JMU - it's 65 on both sides of Harrisonburg.
They did that because of a traffic volume study on that section of 81, since townys use it as a way to get from one side of town to the other. The other specific reason for the change is if you are travelling WEST on 33 and turn to go SOUTH on 81, it's extremely hazardous.
yeah, the merge lane is ridonkulous.
- .RJ - 11-08-2004
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Thanks RJ. Remind me to bitch slap you for missing my point...
*shrug*
If you modify your car you have to be willing to accept the possible consequences - no matter how objective the enforcement is. If that means fighting it court or paying the fines, so be it - but be ready for it. Thats all.
If you tint your windows, install a louder exhaust, have windsheild banners/numbers that obstruct vision, etc, etc...
- damnit458 - 11-08-2004
.RJ Wrote:KPWSerpiente Wrote:Thanks RJ. Remind me to bitch slap you for missing my point...
*shrug*
If you modify your car you have to be willing to accept the possible consequences - no matter how objective the enforcement is. If that means fighting it court or paying the fines, so be it - but be ready for it. Thats all.
If you tint your windows, install a louder exhaust, have windsheild banners/numbers that obstruct vision, etc, etc...
yeah not to be a dick but you should know ahead of time that as soon as you mod your car you accept the risk of being ticketed that comes along with it, regardless of whether the law is subjective or not. I mean come on, how many posts have we all read like this one? Its not like a bullshit ticket from some dipshit cop is anything new....
- BLINGMW - 11-08-2004
y'all need to come on down to Georgia, ya'hear?
Then you can pretty much do whatever you want to your car or drive any sort of unsafe POS that you find (fortunatly for me :lol: ). And outside of ATL, you don't even have to do emissions.
- .RJ - 11-08-2004
BLINGMW Wrote:y'all need to come on down to Georgia, ya'hear?
Then you can pretty much do whatever you want to your car or drive any sort of unsafe POS that you find (fortunatly for me :lol: ).
lol.... i think i saw an exhaust fall off of a car when i went to get something to eat this afternoon
- CaptainHenreh - 11-08-2004
Letter writing campaign. At least bring it to people's attention. Maybe get some justification for the objective, unjust standard.
And maybe suing an exhaust company for calling their product "50 state legal". That'd get some attention brought to the issue.
(I'm pretty sure i've seen some "check your local authorities" language, but just so....)