Looks like America could learn something from Australia...

[Goodspeed]

Light that political fire!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ÔÇ£ÔÇ£However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society........ Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

I'm not talking about the extremist issue or religion in particular, I just wish the US would have the balls to do the same (instead of give credit cards and drivers licenses to illegal non-english speaking immigrants).

I watched the news today. I saw Ellen Degeneres feature B. Obama dancing on her show. They then showed clips of Rudy and Hillary dancing, and asked the public on the street to judge their dancing skills.


WTF AMERICA.

[HAULN-SS]

I saw Ellen Degeneres


WTF AMERICA.

that was your first problem.


2) In America it's hard to say "go eff yourself, immigrants" when they make up a large proportion of the population, and are the biggest contributor to population growth in the country. Now..the muslims, yeah..we could tell them to eff off, no problem.

[.RJ]

2) In America it's hard to say "go eff yourself, immigrants" when they make up a large proportion of the population

Thats not what the article is saying - did you even read it?

Now..the muslims, yeah..we could tell them to eff off, no problem.

Another fantastically ignorant comment. Welcome to club asshat.

[HAULN-SS]

Are you not the founder?

also - if that's not what the article is saying, maybe you can correct me. It think you can infer that when he is talking about what languages people speak. I am quite sure he's not talking about actual Australians who are also fluent in Chinese or other languages.

[Ginger]

Now..the muslims, yeah..we could tell them to eff off, no problem.

That was really bad... even if it was a joke.

[HAULN-SS]

Now..the muslims, yeah..we could tell them to eff off, no problem.

That was really bad... even if it was a joke.

Sorry, my writer went on strike today.

[Ginger]

I didn't mean bad as in "bad attempt at humor." I meant bad as in "in poor taste" and "awfully stereotypical" (on several levels). Maybe you don't need a writer so much as you need a pre-posting edtior.

[.RJ]

Maybe you don't need a writer so much as you need a pre-posting edtior.

Or a fucking clue?

I cant even comprehend what would motivate deersty to make that comment.

[.RJ]

also - if that's not what the article is saying, maybe you can correct me. It think you can infer that when he is talking about what languages people speak. I am quite sure he's not talking about actual Australians who are also fluent in Chinese or other languages.

Go read it again. Slowly. Hell, read it twice. It says nothing of the sort.

[HAULN-SS]

world's tallest living horse.

[Maengelito]

Now..the muslims, yeah..we could tell them to eff off, no problem.

That was really bad... even if it was a joke.

Sorry, my writer went on strike today.

for the record, i laughed.

and i didnt read the article. its long and i dont really care that much.

[Ginger]

I cant even comprehend what would motivate deersty to make that comment.

Believe it or not, I can.

The Blue Collar Comedy Tour was on tv yesterday. I had never seen it before so I thought I'd at least give it a chance... turns out that Blue Collar folks and Rednecks think that it's funny to put all Middle Easterners in the same Terrorist boat and make fun of their religious garbs.

I must've missed the memo.

[Maengelito]

I cant even comprehend what would motivate deersty to make that comment.

Believe it or not, I can.

The Blue Collar Comedy Tour was on tv yesterday. I had never seen it before so I thought I'd at least give it a chance... turns out that Blue Collar folks and Rednecks think that it's funny to put all Middle Easterners in the same Terrorist boat and make fun of their religious garbs.

I must've missed the memo.

just take any post RJ makes and replace "asians" with "towel heads" and its about the same

[Ginger]

Well, I mean, we're assuming that RJ's funny

[.RJ]

just take any post RJ makes and replace "asians" with "towel heads" and its about the same

You mean "maeng" and "andy"

[Ginger]

He's got you there.

[Kaan]

We need more twisted teachers like this... we might have all the illegals sent home!
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[HAULN-SS]

I must've missed the memo.

we could go WOT (way off topic, wide open throttle) with this if we wanted to.

NKJV is full of passages citing religious intolerance. Respecting people is far different than respecting religions.

"This is what the Lord says the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1

also - i'm just fueling a debate here, not really pressing one way or the other

[Ginger]

^ What's your point?

[HAULN-SS]

point is I bet if you polled blue collar people, you'd fine more of them Christians than any other population group (just guessing). Christianity says to love the people, not the religion - so they have no reason to not laugh when larry the cable guy makes a joke about them..right?