Well I have done some research and won some bids and I will be having these on my car in the next few months....
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I just won a set for the front. 4-piston fixed brembos with 13" rotors. Still trying to get my hands on some 2-piston fixed rears. The rears will bolt right up to my stock car, but the fronts im going to need 99 galant front knuckles. Then everything bolts right up. I also am picking up a Sparco seat tomorrow with brackets, yes just one for now, I am not incredibly rich.
I got an incredible deal on both, which means cams are on hold for a while as I spend more money to get all this stuff in and with all the supporting requirements. Need a harness for the sparco and need knuckles and rear calipers for the brakes. But once all said and done should be quite sick.
I am excited and I dont want any of this bullshit, why didnt you get two seats or those are close to overkill on the brakes, if you think its cool or interesting, post, if your going to criticize please press the back button and just leave me be in my happy state.
Are you going to be getting a rollbar for the harness'?
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:if your going to criticize please press the back
button and just leave me be in my happy state.
Uh, Relax?
If you're planning on doing any track events, leave those dust sheilds off - will help cool the brakes better.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Bling! It looks like your car is going to come back a lot sexier than when it left 
At least you didn't get retarded drilled rotors, and yea, if you plan to track, leave the dust shields off. Are those the porsche brembo calipers? or one from brembo?
I assume you already did the caculations to make sure you MC is up to the task of working those brakes? I'll relax now.
very purty. just curious, are you sticking with stock brake lines for now too?
once those are on i have a feeling you are set for a long long time in the brake power department.
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ScottyB Wrote:once those are on i have a feeling you are set for a long long time in the brake fade department.
fixed.
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wow, quite a setup you got there
back when I was reasearching tracking the Talon, I had heard great things for the Baer setup, especially considering the price compared to other "kits" for the DSMs. However, I never looked into making my own setup like it appears you're doing. One thing I will highly advise, upgrade your MC if at all possible. Even if yours can hack it, it can still be creepy to have a lot of slop in the brake pedal from a brake upgrade.
When I did the 240->300zx brake upgrade, my pedal would travel quite a ways before the brakes would even begin to engage, it would seem like you were hitting the firewall the first lap or two on the track, until the fluid heated up and expanded. Considering that in terms of # of pistons, our upgrade is the same (although you probably have more surface area), I'd highly recommend a new MC and stainless lines to go with the upgrade.
Nice, they look beautiful.
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Mike Wrote:ScottyB Wrote:once those are on i have a feeling you are set for a long long time in the brake fade department.
fixed.
eh? i thought i saw 13" vented solid rotors? and would he really go that far and then put crappy pads on there? didn't seem like a fadey recipe to me.
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i was just correcting your choice of words... any stock setup has enough power (if you can lock the tires, that is all the power you need). an upgraded braking system is to dissipate heat and reduce fade. a mutli piston setup also has other advantages, but "power" is not really worth noting.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike Wrote:i was just correcting your choice of words... any stock setup has enough power (if you can lock the tires, that is all the power you need). an upgraded braking system is to dissipate heat and reduce fade. a mutli piston setup also has other advantages, but "power" is not really worth noting.
point taken. carry on.
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2019 4Runner TRD Off-Road
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Past: 03 Xterra SE 4x4 | 05 Impreza 2.5RS | 99.5 A4 Quattro 1.8T | 01 Accord EX | 90 Maxima GXE | 96 Explorer XLT
Mike Wrote:i was just correcting your choice of words... any stock setup has enough power (if you can lock the tires, that is all the power you need). an upgraded braking system is to dissipate heat and reduce fade. a mutli piston setup also has other advantages, but "power" is not really worth noting.
Locking up your brakes doesn't really slow you down. You need modulation as well, you need to be able to get right on the edge of locking up the tires. Most stock setup's can't do this, you are usually stopping with 70-80% efficiency, with a (proper) upgraded setup you can get closer to 100.
My very large stock 2 piston calipers and 12 inch rotors have great stopping power, I can lcok em up at any speed with it (I have brembo rotors, metalmaster pads and ss brake lines) but I felt brake fade at the track and decided that if I am looking at doing heavy duty track time I might as well upgrade to the best.
The actual piston diameter is smaller for each of the brembo pistons compared to my dual piston caliper, but it is fixed and also has much more pad and rotor surface area.
The MC will be fine as soon as I Get the rears on also, brake bias should remain almost exactly the same, however, I Am worried about the amount needed. So I may upgrade at some point to an evo master but so far it doesnt seem too bad. Thanks guys.
The Baer brake kit is nice, but its not fixed and its not quite as big. Although I will be doing a little bit of custom work using JDM galant knuckles (they are different than USDM) the setup will be front and rear, bigger, have brembo and are blingier for the same cost as just the front calipers for the baer kit.
Plus only one or two people have this setup on a dsm in the US.
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white_2kgt Wrote:Mike Wrote:i was just correcting your choice of words... any stock setup has enough power (if you can lock the tires, that is all the power you need). an upgraded braking system is to dissipate heat and reduce fade. a mutli piston setup also has other advantages, but "power" is not really worth noting.
Locking up your brakes doesn't really slow you down. You need modulation as well, you need to be able to get right on the edge of locking up the tires. Most stock setup's can't do this, you are usually stopping with 70-80% efficiency, with a (proper) upgraded setup you can get closer to 100.
i don't follow. why can't you hold a stock setup at 99% until you're slowed? i highly doubt a stock setup will fade in a single stop.
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4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
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Mike Wrote:i highly doubt a stock setup will fade in a single stop.
from what speed though? i've heard some stories of some pretty pathetic stock brakes....
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2019 4Runner TRD Off-Road
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Past: 03 Xterra SE 4x4 | 05 Impreza 2.5RS | 99.5 A4 Quattro 1.8T | 01 Accord EX | 90 Maxima GXE | 96 Explorer XLT
Mike Wrote:white_2kgt Wrote:Mike Wrote:i was just correcting your choice of words... any stock setup has enough power (if you can lock the tires, that is all the power you need). an upgraded braking system is to dissipate heat and reduce fade. a mutli piston setup also has other advantages, but "power" is not really worth noting.
Locking up your brakes doesn't really slow you down. You need modulation as well, you need to be able to get right on the edge of locking up the tires. Most stock setup's can't do this, you are usually stopping with 70-80% efficiency, with a (proper) upgraded setup you can get closer to 100.
i don't follow. why can't you hold a stock setup at 99% until you're slowed? i highly doubt a stock setup will fade in a single stop.
Its not really fade, more modulation, I can't control a hard stop on them with R compound tires. With the larger calipers I have now I can just fine. And yes, with Carbotech's and R compounds I could fade the stock setup in 2 laps at summit, 11" rotors stopping 3400lbs SUCKS.
 hrug: my stock brakes faded on track too, but were always fine for the street. modulation was not a problem pre-fade.
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4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
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Mike Wrote:hrug: my stock brakes faded on track too, but were always fine for the street. modulation was not a problem pre-fade.
Get some sticker tires and more agressive brake pads  .
For the street yea, any stock brake setup should be fine, I wasn't aware we were talking about street brakes here though.
Well sorry to hijack the thread, but I figure its a good place to ask....are there any benefits of slotted and/or drilled rotors? It was always my understanding that the slots/holes allow for gaseous heat build up to escape when the pad and rotor make contact, thus reducing heat build up and brake fade. Others say its a load of crap...so whats better?
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