I'm going to buy an SE-R or E30
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My wife, Joan, has been looking for a DD. The Outback is great for everything except sitting in traffic. It gets like 13mpg's so we're looking for a cheap piece that I could possibly use in the future as a proper racecar. That being said, I can't possibly get the regular pile that most of us would tolerate. I haven't had too much luck in my search so far. I'm going to DC next Monday to check out an 325I. What do you guys think? Is there anything in particular I should look out for with the E30 or SE-R. I'm much more familiar with the SE-R's than E30 but Joan really thinks the E30's are "cute" so I guess I'm leaning more towards that.

Any problem areas I should look out for and where can I better research this. I've checked out some E30 forums but most of those guys totally worship their cars and seem to be blind to any problems their beloved cars may have.
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Cool - we're likely to go the same route, although I'd prefer to find a completely prepped E30 (and then also have the cash in hand to buy it). Chan in 3... 2... 1...
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#3
E30s definitely intrigue me as well.

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I got married a little more than a month ago but more importantly, let's talk about cars. Big Grin
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The only thing I have to say is that SE-R's and E30's are very different cars.

I would drive them both before I made a decision (SE-R's seem to be lying around EVERYWHERE) and more importantly, if this really is a DD for *her* I would have *her* drive it.

Just a thought. Julie loved the Supra, hates the Talon but luckily, she isn't the one driving...I am.
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#6
The Daytona does not belong to me. As much as I call it "my" car it belongs to Sylvia. lol. The Omni is my car. So I have nothing to show for all this money and work, lol. I would go E-30. Euro-trash for the win. I've had the pleasure of poking around Nick's POS and they are really neat cars. Pain in the ass to work on in some places but what isn't. Make the investment and get a really nice one...do the needed stuff to it... and it will be a good ride. If I could find one cheap, and could sell the Sebring to finish the two TDs I would rock an e30. Convertible of course.
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#7
yikes. SE-R or E30? Thats a question of which sucks less.

later e30 in good shape would be my #2 choice. (#1 choice being neither)
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Evan Wrote:(#1 choice being neither)

:lol:

There's really not that much that's special about E30's that you wouldn't look for on any other car. That being said, here's what's likely to be wrong with it:

rear shock mounts failing (easy and cheap to replace)

power steering fluid leaking (no easy fix, but it's easy to remove PS!)

other misc oil leaks (some seals hard to replace, depends on what you can live with)

loose shifter (cheap, usually a PITA to fix)

engine and trans mounts (cheap, easy)

mechanical engine fan clutch (a little $, but just remove the damn thing)

guibo, rubber disc that connects trans to driveshaft (fairly cheap, requires driveshaft removal, usually you think about replacing driveshaft center support bearing at the same time)

Most, if not all suspension bushings need replacement if you're going to track it. Easy in the front, PITA in the rear.

Make sure the rear wheel bearings are good. They are arguably the worst part to replace on the car. The rear subframe and trailing arm bushings being right up there too.

SOMETHING electrical doesn't work. Test out all the switches, accesories, lights, turn signals, something doesn't work. Can be a pain tracing these gremlins down, but sometimes they fix themselves! And if you make an attempt to fix them all, something else is going to fail. :lol:

And keep in mind that unlike ALL other BMWs, these have a timing belt. If you don't know if it's been replaced, replace it. Somewhat involved, but a DIY job, usually you replace the water pump while you're there.

Notice that nothing on this list prevents the car from being driven. :wink: I do NOT recommend these old BMW's to those not somewhat mechanically inclined, or someone who doesn't want to learn to work on car. Nor would I recommend them to someone who insists that their car be 100%, it takes way too much time and $$$ to get an E30 back to "new". And it's not a Honda. It won't just run and run while you ignore it. If you expect to take it to a shop every time something goes wrong, you will end up very poor.

But the major components just age so well, the body is rock solid, there are many people out there TRACKING 250k+ mile cars on their un-rebuilt drivetrains. I find them to be very serviceable and I've learned a lot working on mine. I also recommend the 318 (early M10 or later M42 engines) over the 325, but to each his own. Because of the size of the M20 (the 325 engine), some things are much harder to work on. And the extra torque/weight means the driveshaft, rear bushings, diff, brakes, all have higher wear. And timing belts are gay.

Hit up E30Tech, it's the most useful forum out there, check out the "stickied" thread section too. That's about all I can think of. Any other specific questions I can answer?
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in my short time working on 3 E30's I agree totally with Chan. when it runs its such a drivers car. The suspension is a bit soft, but can easily be changed. It has a decent amount of torque and RWD which is addicting. There is a lot of space for track stuff (esp. in the 4 doors!). The number one problem I've had is electrical stuff, but the one problem was me being stupid and forgetting to put the ground wire back on. My gauges still dont' work (except for the speedometer) but I'll get to that eventually. I'd be a little hesitant to rely on one as a DD, especially with higher miles like mine. oh and DO NOT get a convertible.... unless you like swimming pools.
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Perhaps the Outback has some fuel economy issues you could check out. 13mpg sounds really bad for that car. Thats down in the range of what our suburban gets.


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Chris Wrote:oh and DO NOT get a convertible.... unless you like swimming pools.

Or you could just change out the rubbers...well worth the $ on a summer day.
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Nick325is Wrote:Perhaps the Outback has some fuel economy issues you could check out. 13mpg sounds really bad for that car. Thats down in the range of what our suburban gets.


Nick

It's the fulltime awd, 3600+ lbs that's the problem. It averages 25mpg's on the highway, so it's great for road trips.
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I'm going to go check out this convertible model today. Totally not what I wanted but it looks to be in really good shape. A drop top would totally rule during the summer
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Andy Wrote:
Nick325is Wrote:Perhaps the Outback has some fuel economy issues you could check out. 13mpg sounds really bad for that car. Thats down in the range of what our suburban gets.


Nick

It's the fulltime awd, 3600+ lbs that's the problem. It averages 25mpg's on the highway, so it's great for road trips.
thats still way too low. something is wrong with your car
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If you need to know anything at all about SE-R's, ask away.

And come on Evan, they arn't that bad. Yes, they have Machpherson struts, but its a 2500 pound car with an sr20, IRS, 4 wheel disc brakes, VLSD, amazing seats, and you can get them for less then 2,000.
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#16
Evan just likes to hate :-).
Andy, you can come and drive one of my SE-Rs, as long as that isn't interpreted as "beat without mercy" like you did on the 240.
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mpg9999 Wrote:And come on Evan, they arn't that bad. Yes, they have Machpherson struts, but its a 2500 pound car with an sr20, IRS, 4 wheel disc brakes, VLSD, amazing seats, and you can get them for less then 2,000.
no, they arent that bad, depending on what you want one for. I have almost bought one at least twice. They are just old, fwd, with some issues. I dont even hate struts.
I just personally dont want something like that for a DD. I wouldnt even recommend a old 240 like mine as a DD, and I wouldnt buy one for that again either. A DD needs to be comfortable, and work. all the time.
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