Terry Schiavo

[Mike]

Just died.

I don't think we've really discussed it, but what are your thoughts on all of this?

I think she should have been allowed to live...

[JohnC]

I'm glad she finally died. About 15 years too late.

The real crime is that she had to starve to death (or die of thirst) over two weeks. Hell - we prosecute people for animal cruelty when a dog starves to death, but we can't make a brain dead woman's passing go more quickly or compassionately? Fucked up state of affairs, if you ask me.

[Mike]

I agree 100%

The issue is, starving her to death is viewed so differently than say just giving her a needle. Hell, we don't even starve murderers to death! Granted, they say she couldn't feel it, but who knows?

[Sijray21]

speaking of which, anyone see South Park last night?

she was kept out of a better place than here, i'm glad she was allowed to die to end her suffering. It just pains me that it had to be by starvation.

[JohnC]

To document it here (and I'll be setting up a living will in the very near future because of this case) - If I am ever in a similar state (brain dead, vegatable, nobody home) then for God's sake someone please kill me. My *preference* would be getting strapped (loosely) into an F1 car and run into a wall at 200+ mph with my hands arranged in an "MM" across my chest, but a morphine overdose would probably be acceptable too.

There.

[Ryan T]

I'm glad she was allowed to die.

Personally though, I think the case made a mockery out of our government. No offense to Schiavo's family or anything, but our congress and President have bigger things to worry about. We have a huge deficit, a war, unemployment, soaring oil prices, but congress pushs all that aside to pass legislation that only applies to one person? Pretty dumb if you ask me. The government should have never gotten involved in this case, it was decided in courts almost 20 times before the media had a frenzy with it.

[G.Irish]

I'm glad she was allowed to die.

Personally though, I think the case made a mockery out of our government. No offense to Schiavo's family or anything, but our congress and President have bigger things to worry about. We have a huge deficit, a war, unemployment, soaring oil prices, but congress pushs all that aside to pass legislation that only applies to one person? Pretty dumb if you ask me. The government should have never gotten involved in this case, it was decided in courts almost 20 times before the media had a frenzy with it.

I concur wholeheartedly. I don't see Congress and the President making a big deal out of children getting killed by gun violence. Just a political puppet show really. Not making light of Schiavo's family but we have better things to worry about.

[BLINGMW]

I agree with most of you, it should have ben between her and her family. This happens ALL the time, and it's sad. People have to let loved ones go. The only difference this time was that activist groups took up the cause and started a media frenzy because her parents refused to stop fighting and do the right thing. The law said again and again and AGAIN that she should be allowed to die because, as best they could tell, according to her husband, those were her wishes. Saying "she should have been allowed to live" is what her PARENTS wanted, and that's not how the law works.

And yeah, although not that funny of an episode, that Southpark pointed out what should be quite obvious. Pulling a feeding tube isn't playing god any more than putting it in is.

Can I sign up for your will too John? :lol: Actually, I plan on build a world rally car when I turn about 80, that should take care of me. 8)

[Evan]

Terry Schaivo's "life" was only a technicality. Her brain had liquified to the point where she had no thought or cogniscent ability.

Dont blame congress or the president, it was the Schaivo family and the media who pushed this into the political realm. The Schavios wanted exposure, and support because they didnt have a scientific leg to stand on, and the more they could politicise it, the better chance they had of prolonging her vegetative "life"
The media picked it up, whipped it into a controversy, which put the political press on, and caused the (over)reaction from congress.
Thankfully, the courts have refused to get involved, and the whole thing is finally over. And this post is the last Im even going to even think about it, because Im sick and tired of this big issue that the media has stirred up when there are much better things to be concerned with.

[G.Irish]

Thankfully, the courts have refused to get involved, and the whole thing is finally over. And this post is the last Im even going to even think about it, because Im sick and tired of this big issue that the media has stirred up when there are much better things to be concerned with.

Like race season!!! F1, WSBK, and World Challenge this weekend, Moto GP next week!!!

[lillitnn92]

speaking of which, anyone see South Park last night?

yes, that was great, totaly unexpected.


i agree with most things said here. don't like she had to starve, but i think it was best for her to go.

you know the Pope is on a feeding tube? not that he's about to die, but now they are talking about "living will" stuff with the Pope.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...nm/pope_dc

[Feersty]

She's in a better place right now. She doesn't have to deal with the evilness of the world anymore.

[Sijray21]

She's in a better place right now. She doesn't have to deal with the evilness of the world anymore.

she must have swallowed the red pill and the parents are agents

[ScottyB]

i basically agree with everyone here. it was right for her to die, but i wish they could have done it humanely. such a tradgedy.

[JackoliciousLegs]

I don't think America would be ready to give her the lethal injection. Too bad. At least it's teaching us something

Maybe my editorial will get published in the breeze on monday. Keep your eyes peeled. hock:

[Myuki]

I don't think America would be ready to give her the lethal injection. Too bad. At least it's teaching us something

Maybe my editorial will get published in the breeze on monday. Keep your eyes peeled. hock:

good points , all of them.

Personally, I think drawing it out like this was uncalled for. I can't say what should have happened to her, I have no right to. I believe she should have passed on to wherever. But, a counter point. People said she was going to die anyways, but we all eventually die. Whether it be soon or later, does that give people the right to say when we should die? I believe this is another case of how screwed up our country actually is. Religion should NOT be mixed into politics or the course of medical procedurings. Religion is such a f-ed up topic in this country, everyone thinks their way is the only way, (for the most part, there are a few people hwo are sensitive to other religions, i'm just saying the country as a whole) and the fact that people were saying "it's god will" for her to live or die is just sickening.

On the politic side, they passed a legislation for all future cases, which is good. Maybe we can avoid this tragedy in the future.

All this became was a bunch of leftist activist groups trying to get their views in public. I really don't think anyone expect close friends and family, and a few protesters, genuinely cared about her.

[JackoliciousLegs]

All this became was a bunch of leftist activist groups trying to get their views in public.

SUPER HUGE :?: :roll:




leftists :?: :?:

edit: More leftist tomfoolery

[G.Irish]

Not to be a jerk but a lot of the uproar was the religious right although there were plenty on the left side (Death Row West Coast?) that were protesting about it too.

I agree that law and judicial decisions cannot be based on religion. It becomes a kind of murky issue because indeed much of the doctrine that is accept as 'correct' has its basis in religion but however much it is possible we need to keep the two separate.

[Ryan T]

On the politic side, they passed a legislation for all future cases, which is good. Maybe we can avoid this tragedy in the future.

They didn't pass legislation for all future cases, it was strictly for Terri Schiavo.

SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.

Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.

SEC. 3. RELIEF.

After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.

Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.

SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--

(1) to assisting suicide, or
(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.

SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.

Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.

SEC. 8. NO AFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF 1990.

Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self- Determination Act of 1990.

SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.

It is the Sense of Congress that the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.

[Mike]

BUT they have set a precedent at the very least.