Should I get these?

Feersty · 09-22-2004, 11:06 PM

I am about to buy some HPS brake pads for the Buick. They are $48 for a pair. I currently have a sh!tload of travel in my brake. It takes forever to engage.

BLINGMW · 09-22-2004, 11:18 PM

Have you checked to see what your current pads look like? Have you tried bleeding the fluid? Have you checked to see if your rear drums need adjustment, which often limits the fronts? I'd check at least those 3 before buying pads.

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 12:57 AM

i have already told you, and i'll tell you again.... brake pedal feel has NOTHING to do with new pads...

***ViPER1313*** · 09-23-2004, 01:27 AM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:i have already told you, and i'll tell you again.... brake pedal feel has NOTHING to do with new pads...

If the pads are worn as hell it does. I'd bleed the brakes before I did anything.

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 01:33 AM

ViPER1313 Wrote:
MichaelJComputer Wrote:i have already told you, and i'll tell you again.... brake pedal feel has NOTHING to do with new pads...

If the pads are worn as hell it does.

How so? Do your brakes not automatically adjust?

Evan · 09-23-2004, 10:10 AM

MichaelJComputer Wrote:i have already told you, and i'll tell you again.... brake pedal feel has NOTHING to do with new pads...

que le fuck?

if upgrading to a better pad, it most certainly does.
Now its not going to cure major problems, or turn a marshmallow pedal into a rock solid one, but pads do have a significant effect on pedal feel.
A perfect example would be upgrading any OE pad to a higher performing pad.

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 10:20 AM

i think you're mistaking pedal feel for stopping power. a mushy pedal is a mushy pedal, pads won't cure it. mushy pedal is caused by air in the lines, a broken caliper, or busted hydraulics.

Sijray21 · 09-23-2004, 10:46 AM

they shouldn't effect pedal feel since the piston adjusts to where ever the back of the pads lie, but i think the hps' will give you slightly better stopping power

if those are near the price for oem pads i'd give'm a shot.

white_2kgt · 09-23-2004, 10:49 AM

I agree with Mike, wow, that's a first. No way a pad will effect pedal feel. The pedal can only move so much when there's a solid object in the way. What allows the pedal to move more is air/water in the lines. Now, a master cylinder can effect the feel, quite a bit...as I recently found out :mad:

--chad

.RJ · 09-23-2004, 10:53 AM

white_2kgt Wrote:No way a pad will effect pedal feel

You're 100% wrong. I've been through more pad compounds than I'd like to admit, and generally none of them will increase your ultimate stopping power because even OEM pads are strong enough to lock up R-tires. There are many other factors that go into the desingn - temperature range, pedal feel, initial bite, release characteristics, etc, etc. Some track pads on the street have horrible pedal feel - soft, mushy, unresponsive. Some pads just feel soft in general.

FWIW, I have been extremely happy with Carbotech product, and probably wont be using anything else for a long time.

.RJ · 09-23-2004, 10:57 AM

Also if your pads are glazed over, the pedal feel will also suck something large. Best to have the rotors turned a bit, flush in new fluid and take some 60 grit sandpaper to the pads (unless they're worn out, then pick up a new set).

**Chris** · 09-23-2004, 11:00 AM

.RJ Wrote:FWIW, I have been extremely happy with Carbotech product, and probably wont be using anything else for a long time.

I agree with you on this one too. I haven't tried any other high performance products, but my ultimates and P+ have been great.

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 11:21 AM

i think rj is wrong.

white_2kgt · 09-23-2004, 11:22 AM

.RJ Wrote:
white_2kgt Wrote:No way a pad will effect pedal feel

You're 100% wrong. I've been through more pad compounds than I'd like to admit, and generally none of them will increase your ultimate stopping power because even OEM pads are strong enough to lock up R-tires. There are many other factors that go into the desingn - temperature range, pedal feel, initial bite, release characteristics, etc, etc. Some track pads on the street have horrible pedal feel - soft, mushy, unresponsive. Some pads just feel soft in general.

FWIW, I have been extremely happy with Carbotech product, and probably wont be using anything else for a long time.

When sitting in the garage, the pad you have on a car will not make a single difference in the way a pedal feels! On track, of course that will change.

--chad

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 11:23 AM

i think rj is wrong

.RJ · 09-23-2004, 11:26 AM

white_2kgt Wrote:When sitting in the garage, the pad you have on a car will not make a single difference in the way a pedal feels!

Who cares what it feels like sitting in the garage, you arent using your brakes then.

Evan · 09-23-2004, 11:38 AM

Damn you fuckers have hard heads.

The compound, compressibility, coefficient of friction of a pad all affect pedal feel. Period. This is a matter of physics, not personal perception.

**Mike** · 09-23-2004, 11:43 AM

i think evan and rj are wrong.

white_2kgt · 09-23-2004, 04:52 PM

.RJ Wrote:
white_2kgt Wrote:When sitting in the garage, the pad you have on a car will not make a single difference in the way a pedal feels!

Who cares what it feels like sitting in the garage, you arent using your brakes then.

and who cares what it 'feels' like going into turn 1 as long as when I stand on it, the fucker stops!

--chad

.RJ · 09-23-2004, 04:54 PM

What if the pedal feel was soft and the brake torque was not consistent or progressive (i.e. stand on the pedal harder and you slow down more)? Its ok as long as it stops?

Not very confidence inspiring coming into Turn 1 at 125mph....

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