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I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Damn that sucks. Steve will use it as another reason to sell his SV1000 street bike  I guess i shouldnt be too hard on him... His roomate Matt will find a good use for a mouth that cant shut...
on a serious note... Steve is a safe rider... he almost always rides on track. But even then things can bite you. We all need to realize that riding isnt the safest thing we have decided to do... but neither is sleeping with RJs mom.
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Damn that sucks, sounds like Roethlisberger faired better, even without a helmet.
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Steve is a rider. He tracks his bike like MM tracks cars. He takes days off, spends a ton of cash, trailors the bike, etc. I'll try to talk to his roomate to see what happend... but i'm sure life would have been much worse if he wasnt in his gear...
btw, Steve has only rode SP twice now... he isnt a huge fan of the track as far as motorcycles go... normally he goes down to VIR to track. Two trips to summit and two bad times... i think he destroyed his first track bike there the first time around.
#99 - 2000 Civic Si (Future H2 Car, Former H1 car)
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i'm pretty good friends with steve from jmu days... i'll find out soon i'm sure.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
he posted his story in that thread. you can see my comments below... i'm beginning to think these bike schools are a joke. timing... poor instruction...
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike Wrote:i'm beginning to think these bike schools are a joke. timing... poor instruction...
Which bike schools? The "track days" organized by coleman and other shops are nothing but a free for all. Cornerspeed and Superbike schools offer pretty focused instruction and the other groups (nesba, team promotion, etc) have excellent safety and instructing records.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
gotcha... well, gula has crashed each of his visits to summit and paul went down this event as well. i know they've each done a few schools, but the time/crash ratio sounds far worse than with a car.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike Wrote:but the time/crash ratio sounds far worse than with a car.
Yes, the risk is higher - because you cant just "drive off" or if you get loose the car will spin, the bike will likely spit you off.
I'm looking at dates now, I think a few track days makes you a safer rider on the street.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
im sure it does, but the risk is so much higher than if you go in a car... i think even car schools have made me a better rider. i understand weight transfer, grip, looking ahead, aniticipation, etc.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike Wrote:... i think even car schools have made me a better rider. i understand weight transfer, grip, looking ahead, aniticipation, etc.
completely agree with you there, and i have still a LOT to learn in HPDE's
the risk of bike schools does scare me a bit for my safety and for losing $$ in my bike. i still think HPDE's are safer, but i feel tracking the bike would be much more exciting!
I'm going to do my first trackday on Jefferson I think. Its a bit slower than main, and its a great learning track (cars or bikes).
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Sijray21 Wrote:Mike Wrote:... i think even car schools have made me a better rider. i understand weight transfer, grip, looking ahead, aniticipation, etc.
completely agree with you there, and i have still a LOT to learn in HPDE's
the risk of bike schools does scare me a bit for my safety and for losing $$ in my bike. i still think HPDE's are safer, but i feel tracking the bike would be much more exciting!
Yeah it helps a lot to already understand the line and a lot of basics about driving fast when you do the bike track day. It helps you focus on the stuff that is specific to bikes rather than learning how to get around the track.
The thing with bikes that jumped out at me very quickly is that you have to really take small nibbles of more speed. You do that with cars too but things get a lot hairier a lot faster with the bike.
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So I'm just browsing the DC area bike forums and my count is now at 3 people that were pretty hurt at the event and maybe 5 with good damage. Tracking a bike suddenly sounds like a pretty bad idea.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike Wrote:So I'm just browsing the DC area bike forums and my count is now at 3 people that were pretty hurt at the event and maybe 5 with good damage. Tracking a bike suddenly sounds like a pretty bad idea.
We've been at track events where up to 6 HPDE cars wrecked. That track event had poor to non-existent instruction at a very unforgiving track, no small wonder it turned out like that.
One thing's for sure though, you can't approach bike track days with the same mindset as car track days.
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Past: 2018 Honda Civic Type-R, 2015 Yamaha R1, 2009 BMW M3, 2013 Aprilia RSV4R, 2006 Honda Ridgeline, 2006 Porsche Cayman S, 2012 Ducati 1199, 2009 Subaru WRX, 2008 CBR1000RR, 2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R, 2000 Toyota Tundra, 2005 Honda CBR600RR, 1996 Acura Integra GS-R, 1996 Acura Integra GS-R, 1997 Honda Civic EX
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Mike Wrote:Tracking a bike at a piss poor organized event with no instruction and no reference points marked on the track as a novice/intermediate rider suddenly sounds like a pretty bad idea.
Fixed that for you.
It seems like you dont want to track the bike (which is fine) but you dont have to go fishing for excuses or reasons.
*I* would never attend one of those "track days". If I'm going to pay that much to track the bike, I want some instructors out there. Also, Paul had never been on summit main - I would attribute his 'crash' to lack of experience.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
.RJ Wrote:you dont have to go fishing for excuses or reasons.
:?: i'm pointing out that the shit is dangerous. nothing more, nothing less.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Tracking a bike is no more dangerous than you make it. It's probably the safest environment you can ride in, provided you don't use it as an area to learn to ride over your head. I'll do it again, and again, and again, and again... and I'll probably crash because I want to use it an as a place to learn to ride very fast - but you don't have to do that. Riding on the street, provided you keep your head about you at the track, is realistically a lot more dangerous.
Now if you want to race, that's a different story. One of the moto-journos that commentated Faster (Julian Ryder?) put it best: "it's just a question of 'when's it going to happen? Because it WILL happen, you WILL fall off" My instructor at Summit Main last year had never been down doing years of track events - as soon as he got his comp license, though, it was all downhill - went down in the chute in his first race.
It'd be great to see an MM bike presence at the track. I hope something like this doesn't scare folks away. Don't forget that things like this are about the rider.
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.
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Mike Wrote::?: i'm pointing out that the shit is dangerous. nothing more, nothing less.
You determine your own level of involvement </fight club>
Yes, its dangerous but so is riding a bike on the street. Or tracking a civic. You determine your acceptable level of risk, and go from there. Tracking a bike with professional instruction (not a bunch of "instructors" racing each other in student groups) significantly reduces that risk, and increases the potential to learn to be a better rider. Those shop-sponsored track days are a complete clusterfuck.
Its like the difference between a carguys HPDE and a summit point "seat time".
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
.RJ Wrote:It seems like you dont want to track the bike (which is fine) but you dont have to go fishing for excuses or reasons.
Unless he's having a conversation with you...
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