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[Maengelito]

you're beyond the point of having instructors so you can get away with it, but most instructors won't step inside a car rigged that way.

true, but i want students who ride along to be safe too

[.RJ]

you're beyond the point of having instructors so you can get away with it, but most instructors won't step inside a car rigged that way.

Says who? A good part of the HPDE crowd does this, and every instructor i've spoken with doesnt have a problem with it. I've instructed that way, and as long as the harness is properly mounted, with a rollbar - its fine. A seat is more better, of course but it wont stop anyone from getting in the car.

[Mike]

you're beyond the point of having instructors so you can get away with it, but most instructors won't step inside a car rigged that way.

Says who? A good part of the HPDE crowd does this, and every instructor i've spoken with doesnt have a problem with it. I've instructed that way, and as long as the harness is properly mounted, with a rollbar - its fine. A seat is more better, of course but it wont stop anyone from getting in the car.

says unkefer and me... i've seen students without isnrtuctors for that very reason.

[.RJ]

I forgot... mikey rules.

[Mike]

:?: how is that mikey rules?

[Sijray21]

you're beyond the point of having instructors so you can get away with it, but most instructors won't step inside a car rigged that way.

Says who? A good part of the HPDE crowd does this, and every instructor i've spoken with doesnt have a problem with it. I've instructed that way, and as long as the harness is properly mounted, with a rollbar - its fine. A seat is more better, of course but it wont stop anyone from getting in the car.

actually my last instructor (the same one Chris had) also said that he wouldn't step into a car for instruction if the driver was heavily secure and the passenger side had a seat-belt and 3-point. I think if you're going to place safety enhancements that the passenger should have additional protection (maybe not as nice, but equally or near equally as protective as the driver).

he would be "very hesitant" were his exact words. And depending on his driving he would or would not remain as the instructor.

[BLINGMW]

Also, in terms of etiquette/ethics, would it be a dick move to have a nice seat for the driver and a entry level seat for the instructor? E.G. sparco for you, corbeau for them.

seems to have gotten sidetracked onto the topic of a stock seat and stock belt for the passenger, which I agree is at least a faux pas. But what you're mentioning seems more than reasonable. Generally a cheaper seat is just less comfortable, but hey, a cheap seat and harness is WAAAY better than a stock seat, so they should be happy to ride along.

Chris, I've got a real nice passenger sport (stock) seat, those with harnesses actually are a decent setup. Rode in one at Little Talladega the other weekend matter of fact.

[.RJ]

Reading ownz j00 all....

I said harness, not stock seat belt, on the passenger side. I've got 30 or so weekends instructing, so.... take it FWIW.

[Mike]

take it FWIW.

0, you lose at life.

[Evan]

to add my 2c, a stock seat with bar and harnesses is not as safe as a real seat, since the hinges on the stock seat can shear or break, and can force the seat under the bar.
The instructor has every right to refuse getting in the car if the saftey equipment is not equivalent. And a new nasa rule this year says that any rollbarred car must have a seat back brace with a non-fia seat. (although there are situations where this would be counter productive)

personally, I havent really had a problem with stock seat, harnesses, and rollbar. I would prefer a real seat, and it says something to me about the student if they are not willing to spend a couple hundred on a seat for me.
But ive never refused to get in a car because of it, although that may change in the future as I have become much more saftey conscious with all the wrecks and instructor injuries this year.

the worst for me was when i had a guy in a race prepped (shitty bolt in cage) integra, but on my side was the stock seat, stock seatbelt, and no rollbar padding. I got in the car for a session (which i wont do again), and didnt get back in.

[Mike]

evean, by that rule my car would not be allowed on track? i have del sol seats and a rollbar.

[Evan]

mieke, you are correct. "illegal" but not enforced (considering you self tech your car anyway)

[Mike]

i plan on having real seats by then anyway so even more of a reason to drop the grand

[.RJ]

i plan on having real seats by then anyway so even more of a reason to drop the grand

Didnt you say that last year?

[Mike]

shut it fool. i got the brakes done.

[.RJ]

So, by 2008 you'll have seats?

[white_2kgt]

I'm shopping around for future purchases and was wondering how you guys feel about certain brands for different items (seats, harnesses, etc). I know we've gone over this a few times but I don't remember anything specific to the Sabelt brand. I'm curious about the quality of these seats, mostly the Indianapolis Seat and the Racer Seat:

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also this Pista Seat by OMP:

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Sabelt, makes the belts for Sparco and make a VERY good belt.

[Maengelito]

my point is that i would have harnesses for both sides, but necessarily a non-stock seat. i understand that a seat with proper support and holes for the harnesses to pass through is prefered for the passenger, but i aint made of money

[.RJ]

but i aint made of money

Your visa is

[Mike]

So, by 2008 you'll have seats?

one thing a year... motor or seats and harnesses for 2006.