Official MM Firearms Thread

[CaptainHenreh]

And Rex, srsly? I never quite got the "Glocks are ugly" arguments - pretty much all polymer and most all-metal pistols aren't exactly sculptures of exquisite beauty -

Yeah. They are ugly and they always have been:

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[Apoc]

I'm amazed you can't see it.

[Goodspeed]

I'm amazed you can't see it.

They're both ugly, but the Steyr is objectively moreso. Your opinion is wrong :bootyshake:

Actually, forget that Phoenix 1911 up there, the only *truly* pretty pistol is:

...The finish on these early Colts is very unique. At the time Colt finished the guns (even the military models) the only way they knew how – to perfection. Each part was hand polished using a series of specially designed polishing wheels. In addition, each part was polished at least four times using increasingly fine abrasives. The final polish was achieved using walrus hide and whale oil. By the time the workmen (we would call them craftsmen today!) were done, the entire gun had a brilliant mirror-like finish.

After the gun was polished, it was degreased in a boiling gasoline bath. It would then go into a coal fired oven which had a layer of charcoal and whale oil at the bottom. The guns would bake for several hours. Periodically a workman would come along and scrub the guns with oakum (a type of fiber) and whiting (a type of ash). This scrub would clean away any charred material as well as polish the gun even more! If that wasn’t enough, the entire process was repeated up to six times until the workman was satisfied with the color and depth of the bluing.



In indirect light it has a metallic black look. If I were to summarize it looks like “black chrome”.



In addition to the mirror-like reflective finish, Colt also applied a “fire blue” to the small parts. All of the small parts were placed into a cast iron vessel containing a charcoal and bone mix. It was heated until the small parts took on an iridescent blue color. The small parts with their turquoise color really pop against the reflective mirror-like finish.

While the finish is indeed quite handsome, the military was less than impressed. I guess the last thing you want in a battle situation is a highly reflective gun with brilliant blue accents! At the military’s request the finish was toned down until eventually the gun was mostly a dull, dark black (the so-called “Black Army” finish). Unfortunately with the switch to the dull black finish, the exact technique for the original brilliant finish has been lost in time. Not only did Colt switch from coal to gas ovens, but some of the materials are now simply unavailable — sperm whale oil anyone?

[CaptainHenreh]

I mean...yeah? The Steyr is nicer looking. Not gonna win a beauty contest or anything but it doesn't look like a 4 year old drew it with crayon.

[CaptainHenreh]

Lots of guns are very pretty but I can't think of a Glock I'd call that. And yes, the contoured grip, the scalloped slide, the less harsh lines of the Steyr are nicer and more comfortable than the "all 90 degree angles, except the 2x4 grip angle".

So yeah, while anything in blued steel can look pretty, (and basically everything that LifeSizePotato owns counts) the glock is the second ugliest non-japanese handgun ever made.

[WRXtranceformed]

Any recommendations of brands for tritium pistol sights? Or a combo tritium / fiber? Thinking about swapping them out on both XDs and saw some typical gunbro brand-bashing throwing back and forth on a facebook post about them.

[CaptainHenreh]

Any recommendations of brands for tritium pistol sights? Or a combo tritium / fiber? Thinking about swapping them out on both XDs and saw some typical gunbro brand-bashing throwing back and forth on a facebook post about them.

Trijicon is best. I like Heinie as well. Don't like fiber.

[WRXtranceformed]

Any recommendations of brands for tritium pistol sights? Or a combo tritium / fiber? Thinking about swapping them out on both XDs and saw some typical gunbro brand-bashing throwing back and forth on a facebook post about them.

Trijicon is best. I like Heinie as well. Don't like fiber.

TY sir, exactly what I needed!

I thought about swapping the front fiber sight to the green insert (Springfield includes extra lengths of green and red) but no joke, the manual tells you to do it by lighting it on fire with a butane torch..... :dunno: :lol:

[WRXtranceformed]

Any recommendations of brands for tritium pistol sights? Or a combo tritium / fiber? Thinking about swapping them out on both XDs and saw some typical gunbro brand-bashing throwing back and forth on a facebook post about them.

Trijicon is best. I like Heinie as well. Don't like fiber.

I peeped the Trijicon HDs and they look nice but it looks like it's basically just a single tritium front sight with a non-tritium rear? (from what I can tell). My preference would be both front and rear sights to glow. The Heinie figure 8 style looks intriguing. Thoughts on Truglow TFOs? They get a lot of good Amazon / forum reviews but I feel like that might have been one of the brands I read gunbros bashing. They're also like half the price of the others mentioned (ie I could get two sets, one for each gun, for the price of one Trijicon):
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Edit: Also found the TFX version that supposedly holds the tritium / fiber better:
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[CaptainHenreh]

I peeped the Trijicon HDs and they look nice but it looks like it's basically just a single tritium front sight with a non-tritium rear? (from what I can tell). My preference would be both front and rear sights to glow. The Heinie figure 8 style looks intriguing.

I had Heinie 8's on my USP, they were fine. Honestly, you might be overthinking it a bit. Your front sight is the most important anyway, no one is shooting for groups in the gd dark.

[WRXtranceformed]

I peeped the Trijicon HDs and they look nice but it looks like it's basically just a single tritium front sight with a non-tritium rear? (from what I can tell). My preference would be both front and rear sights to glow. The Heinie figure 8 style looks intriguing.

I had Heinie 8's on my USP, they were fine. Honestly, you might be overthinking it a bit. Your front sight is the most important anyway, no one is shooting for groups in the gd dark.

Good point :lol: I'll report back if I scoop up one of these options!

[Ryan T]

I peeped the Trijicon HDs and they look nice but it looks like it's basically just a single tritium front sight with a non-tritium rear? (from what I can tell). My preference would be both front and rear sights to glow. The Heinie figure 8 style looks intriguing.

Honestly, you might be overthinking it a bit. Your front sight is the most important anyway, no one is shooting for groups in the gd dark.

Trijicon and Heinie are both great. Not a big fan of fiber either, especially if I'm gonna carry it and put my life on it. Fiber is ok if there is some light, or you just don't like the shit sights on a gun and want something a little better. I've got a fiber front sight on my .357 and on my Mossberg turkey gun (because it came with them), but fiber really isn't in the same ballpark as true night sights, at least in my book. Also, in my opinion, get night sight for front and rear sight. Your front sight isn't like a red dot, you cant just point that front sight into the dark and expect to hit your target without some aim and alignment. You need those rear sights to glow too to give you something to compare that front sight to, so you get some idea where your rounds are heading. Especially important if you live close to other homes, have family in other rooms, or live in an apartment. You are responsible for every round that leaves your muzzle, make sure they are on target and make them count.

Also, I recommend doing some night, or at least low light, shooting. When you can barely see your target it really forces you to focus on your front sight and you aren't distracted by looking at where your rounds went..because you can't see them. Do a little of that and you will be genuinely surprised how well you can shoot in low light.

[Ryan T]

Another note on training; if you have access to an outdoor range, do some running before you shoot. I've only had to draw my gun a handful of times (and thankfully never had to fire it), but every time it happens your heart beat shoots up and your breathing rises. Practice doing a quick sprint to get both of those up, then draw and put rounds on target. That way you won't be caught off guard if you ever have to pull it for real.

[CaptainHenreh]

Also, in my opinion, get night sight for front and rear sight. Your front sight isn't like a red dot, you cant just point that front sight into the dark and expect to hit your target without some aim and alignment. You need those rear sights to glow too to give you something to compare that front sight to, so you get some idea where your rounds are heading. Especially important if you live close to other homes, have family in other rooms, or live in an apartment. You are responsible for every round that leaves your muzzle, make sure they are on target and make them count.

While this is all true, I'd rather have a trijicon front sight and standard rears than fiber or some shitty truglo that's gonna fall off as soon as I fire the gun. With proper training, sight alignment=muscle memory and then all that does matter is the front sight. That's the one in focus, after all. Let's be real here though: If you're shooting your gun in the fucking dark relying only on your night sights you A: Have fucked up, tactically and B: are gonna be so hopped up on adrenalin that you'll be lucky to remember that your pistol has sights at all.

Also, yeah definitely: If you have an outdoor range you abso fucking lutely should do some burpees and sprints and get out of breath and shakey and sweaty and then try to put some rounds on target. Bonus points for low light. I know for Cola Warrior you run an obstacle course, get an insulin spike from 6 sugar nuggets then "hey, go run a mile fatty" before you get to shoot. It adds a completely different element to bulletproof walls on either side and range walls guiding your eyes to the target.

[WRXtranceformed]

Got a chance to put some lead through the XDS this weekend, as expected it shoots super smooth. It's zero'd in at 25 yards from the factory for some reason, which makes sense for a competition pistol maybe but not IMO for a cc piece. As such with practice at 5 yards it's shooting high off the mark but I was able to make some adjustments to get the shots where I wanted them. It's definitely a snappy little gun, but Rachael liked shooting it better than the Shield in .40. The short mags (no pinky rest) are kind of pointless, it's a lot harder to get a good grip on the gun and they caused a few errant follow up shots. I've experienced this with pretty much any gun ever with short mags so I'll probably just keep rolling with the extended mags since the profile of the gun is so small anyway. It also seemed to like the lower powder load hollow points I shot through it for practice a lot better (obviously I don't make a habit of shooting expensive ass ammo but I need to make sure these fed well). I've got a ton of 9mm in the safe but eventually when I work my way through it I may start replacing it with lower powder load rounds for practice shooting.

Looking forward to my free swag / mags that's on the way! Haven't pulled the trigger yet on new sights but may do that here soon

[WRXtranceformed]

Oh man...daddy want

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[CaptainHenreh]

Oh man...daddy want

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I am not a huge fan of the takedown, not for any technical reason, it seems like it's fine, I just don't care for it, but this is a great development.

Having said that: 649 msrp is a little steep. If you took a Ruger 10/22 Charger and made it a two-stamp gun, you'd have something that was even handier, AND a can you could use on other guns...

Actually I should do that for my next SBR.

I mean it's cool, and I don't hate it or anything. Looks like it has significantly more volume than the Gemtech integrally suppressed barrel (for the same price) so that's nice. I just am not sure I understand the application.

[CaptainHenreh]

I mean, this is pretty sexual:

[WRXtranceformed]

That is sick!

I do really enjoy shooting my takedown, although I need to find a less budget option for a scope for it. The little Weaver with shitty scope rings is not exactly confidence inspiring nor super accurate on distance shots. What I do like about that factory option is that it was designed to be super easy to clean and since mine doesn't have a threaded barrel it would be an easy plug and play. You do bring up a good point about interchangeability though, it would limit you pretty severely. And what does a tax stamp cost right now like $200? On top of that cost it makes it a little steep for the limited use cases for me anyway (ie shooting a snek in the backyard without drawing the ire of the neighbors)