80 shipped for all 4 pieces.
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Do these help much at all?
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
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(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
they look like mostly DC sport knockoffs... i know RJ doesnt like these bling'n peices... but on my VW i know i could tell a difference in responce with the front lower... smoother stearing with the front upper... and a more predictable rear end with the rear upper... though my rear upper was a 4 point bar. i'd almost just see what it was like for 50 bucks
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:why thumbsdown?
They're cheap in construction and strength.
Bracing areas of the chassis that dont need reinforcement.
Honda Chassis are not flexible messes.
Bracing areas of the chassis that arent loaded as suspension points (upper shock hat is not a 'loaded' area on a wishbone suspension).
![[Image: i=wMjg5NjI3NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg]](http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage2.wtdr/i=wMjg5NjI3NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg)
![[Image: i=wMjg5NjI5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg]](http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage2.wtdr/i=wMjg5NjI5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg)
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Claims that these shitbars work is otherwise known as the "Wallet Dyno"
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Youguys don't know shit, I asked on HT if anyone had real numbers.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
MichaelJComputer Wrote:I asked on HT
Haha!
Did you ask on clubsi too?
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
so Civics actually have front struts I guess? And (if I have this right), Integras do not, it's really shocks all around? And all (Honduh/Acura) have shocks in the rear? Or do some have struts back there too? Doesn't really matter, I'm just curious.
But one thing is clear. Braces on SHOCK towers do NOTHING. People sell these for BMWs too. A shock is only loaded vertically, so if the tower flexes laterally (and there's really no load on the tower to make it do this), it really doesn't matter. But strut braces, yes, they can help. Even if the chassis is not very flexible, and you can't FEEL the difference, the added strength helps prevent excess stress on the towers because the bar shares the load between them, which can be close to 500 pounds laterally with R-compounds on track (I wish I could find the article that calculated the physics of it, but I'm far too lazy). If no Honda in the history of time has ever cracked a strut tower, then great, forget it. Their tires ARE pretty narrow. :lol: But with a lot of track time, some cars do. Seems like a steal to me if they're not really made of plastic. If I could find a decent strut tower brace for my E30 for near $100 (and that's just ONE bar), I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
disclaimer: I did down a 24OZ before writing this (married guys can't do 40's anymore)
Yes, sorry they are shock tower braces.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
i installed a strut bar on my old maxima, and i felt a noticable difference for two reasons:
- the chassis was a flexi-mess. not only was it based on the maxima before it (vintage '85) but the subframes were suffering from 100,000 miles of PA roads abuse.
- the car was equipped with STRUTS. thats a huge difference, like what the others have said.
a strut has to cope with basically being the upper link the suspesion and holding the camber of the front wheels correctly. under side load, the deflection on a strut is big, and it transfers to the distortion of the shock tower. on a wishbone car, the upper control arms arent attached to the shock towers, so the load isnt present there.
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RJ is a sackswinger that just repeats what the "real" racers tell him 
and I definately disagree that hondas arent flexible messes
A hatchback is a big, open box. Connecting any opposing part of that box together will in fact decrease deflection and flex.
Out of that group of parts, this is IMO the most useful.
The suspension lower tie bars I am not experienced with, but bracing loaded suspension members from deflection is allright by me.
The front strut brace is the most useless of the bunch, since on a honda the strut is not a load bearing member, and the firewall is right there to box the chassis.
now the question is, are they worth $80?
Possibly, but on a limited budget, buying a bigger rear swaybar (ITR? GSR?) will give you much much better handling gains.
(improve the dynamic suspension before the static)
Evan Wrote:Connecting any opposing part of that box together will in fact decrease deflection and flex.
Yes, if braced correctly, but to what end?
You're not tying the suspension pickups together, or tying them into the frame. So it may be stiffer but you've still gotten nowhere.
A shock tower on a wishbone car is not a loaded member like on a strut-suspensioned car, you know this.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
.RJ Wrote:A shock tower on a wishbone car is not a loaded member like on a strut-suspensioned car, you know this. right, which is why I said
Quote:The front strut brace is the most useless of the bunch, since on a honda the strut is not a load bearing member, and the firewall is right there to box the chassis.
reading comprehension ownz your ass
Since the suspension is attached to the "box" that makes up the car, flex and deflection in the box thus deflects the suspension angles and your contact patch.
we are arguing theoretics at this point anyway, because like I said that money would be better put in to a swaybar
Evan Wrote:that money would be better put in to a swaybar
Absolutely, since mike doesnt even have one back there
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
BLINGMW Wrote:If I could find a decent strut tower brace for my E30 for near $100 (and that's just ONE bar), I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The Sparco bar is $109 from <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.evosport.com">www.evosport.com</a><!-- w -->, but it'd take some cutting and rewelding to get it to fit an m10'd e30. It would go right through the dizzy and hit the fusebox as well (ours are tilted compared to later models).
The IE bar ( <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bmw2002.com">www.bmw2002.com</a><!-- w --> ) is the same design, but it looks like they made provisions for the fusebox and maybe even the dizzy. Must find guinea pig. It's $130.
Sparco attempt on my car:
![[Image: SparcoNo1.jpg]](http://cesium.cs.jmu.edu/huntwc/images/gc/SparcoNo1.jpg)
![[Image: SparcoNo2.jpg]](http://cesium.cs.jmu.edu/huntwc/images/gc/SparcoNo2.jpg)
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.RJ Wrote:Evan Wrote:that money would be better put in to a swaybar
Absolutely, since mike doesnt even have one back there
And won't anytime soon since I have to get my new muffler put on, get new tires, go on spring break, and THEN think about other cool shit that I want. Fucking popo.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
...then Im confused.......why start this thread?
Evan Wrote:...then Im confused.......why start this thread?
To debate the worth of these braces. $80 would be pretty easy to handle if they functioned really well, I'd put them near the top of the to-do list if that was the case.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Bill 84 318i Wrote:The IE bar ( <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bmw2002.com">www.bmw2002.com</a><!-- w --> ) is the same design, but it looks like they made provisions for the fusebox and maybe even the dizzy. Must find guinea pig. It's $130.[/madbimmerjacking]
hmm.... didn't know Ireland had one. That's tempting. One that doesn't require me to remove my distributor is always a plus. :lol: I'll tell you how it fits. :wink:
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