Was in Vegas for a bachelor party. Bachelor's brothers rented one for him since it's his dream car.
Steaming pile of shit. Fast as a mofo, but good god. The lack of attention to detail was astounding.
I knew the early cars had a problem with people burning their legs. This was a 2005 SRT10. I knew of the dangers, but could have easily burnt my leg getting in (had to do acrobatics) and then even just sitting in the fucking thing. I'm surprised I still have leg hair.
Then there is the interior. Had some pretty sweet bucket seats, but you know what? They weren't comfortable. I consider the Sparcos in my hatch comfortable even... They must have taken the ergo of a... I don't even know... They were wide everywhere except for the back. You basically sat on top of the side bolsters, but the seat as a whole seemed wide. I don't know. The seats were the least of my concerns... I couldn't get over the controls/radio. For whatever a Viper costs, I'd expect something at least half a step up from that year's Caravan. Nope. Rental car quality buttons and shit.
How did it drive? Fast... As long as you were able to find the right gear. For the life of me, I couldn't. I don't know if it had transmission damage or something wasn't bolted down correctly, but I felt no gates, and when out of gear you could actually move the "rest" position of the shifter and it'd stay there.
I'm happy to say I've driven one and happy that I'll never have to step foot inside one again. Seriously, one of the worst cars I've ever had any sort of experience with.
Good luck, Fiat... You're dealing with people who can't even refine their flagship.
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my friend has two, and I have been able to drive both. the burning is annoying, it gets super hot inside super quick, the AC is sub par, it is WICKED fast, completely uncomfortable to drive for long periods of time. If you are tall, there is no dead pedal for your foot, and you have no place to put your left foot.
Definitely a car that turns heads, whenever he drives it, people constantly are taking pictures of him. And everyone turns around and stares..
then again, you can find awesome used priced ones, and that is what he has always done.
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felt the same way about the Gen 1 hennessey viper i rode in at an autox. fast as crap, totally fisher price otherwise. and turning....it was interesting. high limits, but really unpredictable and scary.
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The Viper also has one of the worst sounding "exotics" exhaust notes.
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WRXtranceformed Wrote:The Viper also has one of the worst sounding "exotics" exhaust notes. wat? that V10 is glorious
Disagree, it sounds raspy and shitty. Especially with an aftermarket exhaust.
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Evan Wrote:WRXtranceformed Wrote:The Viper also has one of the worst sounding "exotics" exhaust notes. wat? that V10 is glorious
at low rpms it reminded me of a ford econoline van. at high rpms... i don't remember, i was concentrating on not crashing it.
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2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
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Mike Wrote:refine their flagship.
The Point<---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Mike
The car has always been about raw power...nothing else really matters...not even turning. Its been a parts-bin car from way back, so the fact that the interior isn't particularly nice should also not come as any surprise. Its supposed to be flashy and raw...for the ballers. Refined is not nor was it ever the objective. Raw, obnoxious, and silly fast.
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Jeff Wrote:Mike Wrote:refine their flagship.
The Point<---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Mike
The car has always been about raw power...nothing else really matters...not even turning. Its been a parts-bin car from way back, so the fact that the interior isn't particularly nice should also not come as any surprise. Its supposed to be flashy and raw...for the ballers. Refined is not nor was it ever the objective. Raw, obnoxious, and silly fast. ^^^ Agreed ^^^
Stupid power, stupidly unrefined, stupid dangerous in untrained hands. Not for everybody. That said, cooking your customers alive is not a good way to get repeat business.
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Jeff Wrote:Mike Wrote:refine their flagship.
The Point<---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Mike
The car has always been about raw power...nothing else really matters...not even turning. Its been a parts-bin car from way back, so the fact that the interior isn't particularly nice should also not come as any surprise. Its supposed to be flashy and raw...for the ballers. Refined is not nor was it ever the objective. Raw, obnoxious, and silly fast.
no 90k car should have caravan climate control. these days it's not that silly fast.[/story]
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yeah, the F40 sucks too. I mean, it doesnt even have door handles on the inside.
Mikey, I hear what you're saying. I understand its from a parts bin and stripped down for just raw power but if you're even gonna include creature comforts, don't cheap out on it. Your flagship vehicle shouldn't remind you of a Town & Country minivan.
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Halo car does not equal flagship...When people think of "Dodge Car" Viper is NOT what comes to mind first. Challenger and Charger. Where as "Chevy Car" brings up Corvette. So I would call it a Halo car and Charger a Flagship car. So I think it really has its own buyers...not normal Dodge people. So the average Viper customer I doubt would even notice the climate control center from an LH car. No one but haters give a shit about that anyway.
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Jeff Wrote:No one but haters give a shit about that anyway.
Is that what corporate tells you to say?
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Nah, he's kind of right.
RJ constantly whines about the "cavalier interior" of the 'Vette, but he's not buying one (or any of it's competitors) anyway.
People who *really really* care about "quality of interior" in a car like a Viper, aren't going to buy a viper in the first place.
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Jeff Wrote:Halo car does not equal flagship...When people think of "Dodge Car" Viper is NOT what comes to mind first. Challenger and Charger.
Caravan is first, Viper is second... at least to me.
People who buy Vipers are about showing off to people OUTSIDE the car, not INSIDE. :lol:
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Instead of bumbling around in what is "wrong" with it, why not bask in what makes it so very right. Hell, the fact that its one of the last of its breed on the road today, a raw, unfinished brute should stand for something. I for one am glad it doesn't have hydro-powered butt massagers and voice activated GPS.
Well, I mean, that's the point of a halo car, right?
Chevy doesn't make the 'vette to sell vettes. They make it to sell Malibus.
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Maengelito Wrote:Your flagship vehicle shouldn't remind you of a Town & Country minivan.
No it should turn the landscape plaid so fast that you dont have time to notice or care about the interior.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Apoc Wrote:Jeff Wrote:Halo car does not equal flagship...When people think of "Dodge Car" Viper is NOT what comes to mind first. Challenger and Charger.
Caravan is first, Viper is second... at least to me.
People who buy Vipers are about showing off to people OUTSIDE the car, not INSIDE. :lol:
Caravan coming to mind is even better...because that is what sells. I thought I would be stretching to far but Caravan was going to be my original argument for what comes first...so I added "Car" to it. The word "Dodge" in general brings Ram first, Caravan second for me...and thats just fine.
Mike remains a mindless hater. Hes more of a lock-step hater than I am a fanboi. :bootyshake:
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Current Stable of Mopar Junk
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