Honda pulling out of F1, who's next?
#1
I was thoroughly stunned yesterday when I heard rumors that Honda was pulling the plug on F1 due to the global recession. Sure enough el presidente made an official announcement today:

Quote:We, Honda Motor Co., Ltd., have come to the conclusion that we will withdraw from all Formula One activities, making 2008 the last season of participation.

This difficult decision has been made in light of the quickly deteriorating operating environment facing the global auto industry, brought on by the sub-prime problem in the United States, the deepening credit crisis and the sudden contraction of the world economies.

Honda must protect its core business activities and secure the long term as widespread uncertainties in the economies around the globe continue to mount. A recovery is expected to take some time.

Under these circumstances, Honda has taken swift and flexible measures to counter this sudden and expansive weakening of the marketplace in all business areas. However, in recognition of the need to optimize the allocation of management resources, including investment regarding the future, we have decided to withdraw from Formula One participation. We will enter into consultation with the associates of Honda Racing F1 Team and its engine supplier Honda Racing Development regarding the future of the two companies. This will include offering the team for sale. ...

The insane cost of F1 aside, one has to wonder if some of the happenings in F1 in the last few years influenced this decision. For one, F1 does have a race in North America any more and that is their largest market. Secondly and probably more importantly, the FIA was rumbling about going to a spec engine and surely such a move would be of no interest to Honda from a technical standpoint. It leads one to wonder what's the point?

Then there's the fact that HF1 has performed terribly these last two seasons. Then again, if they had won the title this year I guess they'd have good reason to leave too.

I feel really disappointed on one hand, but on the other hand I'd much rather see Honda drop out of F1 than see them forced to layoff people for the first time in their history or pull the plug on Moto GP. I just feel bad that this third era of Honda F1 history will go down as a failure.

With Honda closing up shop I have to think someone like Toyota or Renault can't be too far behind. Renault in particular has been on the bubble for awhile and they don't have nearly the cash reserves someone like Honda does. Not to mention the fact that France just lost their GP. Toyota has already sunk billions into F1 and at this point they won't look bad if they leave too. If one more team folds the grid will be below the minimum number of cars F1 is contractually bound to field. That could be a huge disaster for the sport.

Not that I would be that sad. Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosely have done so much damage to the sport in recent years that I'd derive a little bit of pleasure from seeing them get hurt. But on the other hand it's a shame because Formula 1 could be so much better than it is right now.
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Wow, not even a day and Audi has announced that it is pulling out of ALMS:

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This kinda pisses me off because Acura was moving up to LMP1 this year and now they won't get to go head to head with Audi. They say there's still a possibility of running ALMS but I doubt they'll do it at this point. Man I hope I'm not forced to watch stick and ball sports next year =/
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#3
wow
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#4
sad times.
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#5
They are going to fill the GM and Chrysler void in NASCAR. :wink:

I can't see how the big 3 can justify racing in the near future.
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#6
Well for NASCAR the bright side is that they don't really need the manufacturers too badly. The downside is that sponsor and spectator money is going to dry up in a big way. Either way I think NASCAR will be fine.
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#7
wow...
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#8
just an fyi, i pulled out last night as well.
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#9
Mike Wrote:just an fyi, i pulled out last night as well.
HAHA well played sir
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Mike Wrote:just an fyi, i pulled out last night as well.

<-------That's what I thought 3 yrs ago. :oops:
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Steve85 Wrote:
Mike Wrote:just an fyi, i pulled out last night as well.

<-------That's what I thought 3 yrs ago. :oops:

don't do me like that. do you want me to consider buying toy cars or not?
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#12
Nothing to contribute here other than: creampies ftl!
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#13
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Nothing to contribute here other than: creampies ftl!

Sir, there was a line and you just pulled out on it. Wink
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#14
American Honda Pulls The Plug on U.S. Road Racing Program

My first thought was "poor Neil Hodgson"... This is the second time he's been left holding a contract and nothing else.
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#15
JohnC Wrote:My first thought was "poor Neil Hodgson"... This is the second time he's been left holding a contract and nothing else.

It's funny you say that. I was hanging with G, RJ, and PGK when we saw the news, and that's the first thing we said, too.
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#17
holy shit.

thats the first time Subaru hasnt been in WRC in what, 20 years?
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#18
Wow this is bad, Subaru not in WRC??? That's almost like Ferrari not in F1. Tough times for motorsport.

In that light, I bet the shareholders of the companies still in F1 are going to start calling for blood pretty soon. The FIA and the F1 teams agreed on a pretty drastic cost cutting rules package but I don't think that's going to be enough.
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#19
wow....WRC just isn't WRC without subaru. yikes.
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#20
So apparently F1 is in even deeper doodoo. France, Canada, and the US have all lost their GP's. Now Germany is in danger of losing theirs as well. That would mean neither Mercedes of BMW would have a home race. In that case it's going to be all the more easy for the BMW and Mercedes shareholders to pull the plug.

Meanwhile with oil prices falling off a cliff the big oil races like Bahrain and Abu Dhabi may decide that they're not down to play anymore. China was already on the bubble and so is Australia and Malaysia supposedly.

Really, I just want to see Bernie Ecclestone get effed in the A. His ridiculous greed and arrogance have hurt the sport for long enough.
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