Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think OB as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard. Because he has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home? Most likely not just as a result of him getting elected.
Feersty Wrote:Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, that grow up in poor housing projects? Yes. Are you kidding?
Feersty Wrote:I am thinking Million Man March and Millions More March where an oral committment was made, and a lot of those promises did not seem to come to fruition. Just thinking out loud. Could that be the same case, as after his first 100 days? What are you talking about? Are you saying that marches mean nothing? That Obama won't do anything?
He's not president yet. I was disappointed that Bush was elected president at first, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I was even with him on Sept 11. It was when he decided to invade Iraq that he first lost me. Evan, you seem to feel the same way about Obama. Hopefully, he won't disappoint.
Evan Wrote:Fully expect me to hold this guy accountable if (when) he fucks something up. (because the media has already shown it is unwilling to be critical of The MessiahÔäó)
...but not Bushie? Oh right, you only hold the other party accountable. 
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Feersty Wrote:Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, in particular those that grow up in poor housing projects, with lots of violence and drugs around? Feersty Obama was raised in an upper class white family in Hawaii and attended one of the most prestigous prep schools in the country.
Quote:Or, looking at the motivation behind the thinking Million Man March and the Millions More March where oral committments were made by those involved, but a lot of those promises did not seem to come to fruition. Just thinking out loud. Could people just feel a blip, and then go back to their same old ways, after the novelty is over?
He isnt Jesus, and right now he is neither any better, nor any worse than any who have come before him. like the man said himself you cant get carried away
Apoc Wrote:Evan Wrote:Fully expect me to hold this guy accountable if (when) he fucks something up. (because the media has already shown it is unwilling to be critical of The MessiahÔäó)
...but not Bushie? Oh right, you only hold the other party accountable. yeah, Im such a partisan for not having Bush Derrangement Syndrome :roll:
Ive said many times stupid things that Bush has done (and lately McCain) but just because I dont jump on your bandwagon of baseless attacks doesnt mean Im not critical.
I have yet to hear anything critical of The MessiahÔäó from you Mr. Black Kettle.
Evan Wrote:I have yet to hear anything critical of The MessiahÔäó from you Mr. Black Kettle.
The fact that you call it Bush Derrangment Syndrome and Obama The MessiahÔäó. You only have cute names for people who don't agree with you and appear to have different height bars for different groups is what makes you partisan
I don't agree with progressive tax or keeping Social Security on life support. OMG... I disagreed!
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I'm giving him a chance too. But if he doesn't get the market turned around by tomorrow, then forget it. So far I'm not impressed. :lol:
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JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Are you kidding?
No, the comments were meant to spark some discussion. It just seems like watching TV, people are so moved by him becoming president-elect. But I just hope he works with both parties to make things better for not only the lower class but the middle class as well. He has made a lot of promises that I hope he keeps, although I couldn't tell you specifically what they are.
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:What are you talking about? Are you saying that marches mean nothing? That Obama won't do anything??
They mean a lot. That is why the March For Life continues in DC on 22 January every year. The day that Roe vs. Wade was ruled. I hope he does something. The House and the Senate are both democrat majority.
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:(tired of Bush) comment
I have grown tired of Bush too, but he is our President and there is nothing we can do about it. I just don't want any democrats or people that voted for Obama to complain for the next four years, because this is their guy, and that is who they chose. Although blaming Bush for the last eight years always seems to be the failsafe. But what about the 8 years before Bush even got there.
I want to see what BO does about the deficit.
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Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think Barack as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard? He has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home. Might that be the motivation to move people?
Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, in particular those that grow up in poor housing projects, with lots of violence and drugs around?
Or, looking at the motivation behind the thinking Million Man March and the Millions More March where oral committments were made by those involved, but a lot of those promises did not seem to come to fruition. Just thinking out loud. Could people just feel a blip, and then go back to their same old ways, after the novelty is over? No. People are motivated by the need/desire for them to better themselves, not because somebody was able to accomplish something. If a person is inspired by the accomplishments of another, it will be short-lived unless they have a personal stake and are willing to make sacrifices to accomplish it. Regardless of what race or walk of life you come from, in our world you can accomplish almost anything if you are willing to work for it.
None of Little Lebowski Urban Achievers accomplished something b/c a dude in a wheelchair supported them; they did it for themselves.
Dave Wrote:Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think Barack as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard? He has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home. Might that be the motivation to move people?
Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, in particular those that grow up in poor housing projects, with lots of violence and drugs around?
Or, looking at the motivation behind the thinking Million Man March and the Millions More March where oral committments were made by those involved, but a lot of those promises did not seem to come to fruition. Just thinking out loud. Could people just feel a blip, and then go back to their same old ways, after the novelty is over? No. People are motivated by the need/desire for them to better themselves, not because somebody was able to accomplish something. If a person is inspired by the accomplishments of another, it will be short-lived unless they have a personal stake and are willing to make sacrifices to accomplish it. Regardless of what race or walk of life you come from, in our world you can accomplish almost anything if you are willing to work for it.
None of Little Lebowski Urban Achievers accomplished something b/c a dude in a wheelchair supported them; they did it for themselves.
I think for some people it will inspire them because they can see what is possible and it might be greater than what they thought possible. I'm sure we've all had an experience in our life when someone did something big and we thought, "Hey, I could do that too." It's not that we were lazy and uninspired before, it's just that you didn't know what you were capable of until you saw an example.
I think Obama getting elected will help some people change their attitudes about their lots in life. Especially for Black America. No one can say, "The Man is holding me down," when The Man is a black dude.
He won't cure poverty or 'pay your gas bill' but don't underestimate how big his victory is for people in this country and around the world. A lot of us take the American Dream for granted because maybe we've always had it there in front of us but for those for whom it has always been a fairy tale Obama's election might be the kick in the pants they need.
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G.Irish Wrote:No one can say, "The Man is holding me down," when The Man is a black dude. I'm really hoping this is true. I don't like to focus on the race issue, but if Obama is what it takes to get a generation of "disenfranchised" young people off their asses, then great. That alone could "fix" our economy. I also hope it goes a long way towards repairing racial problems we still have. Bigots on both sides could loose all their steam and media attention and just go away.
In that same vein, I REALLY hope he doesn't get assassinated. If some crazy KKK guy gets his way, we'll end up way worse off than before.
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JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think OB as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard. Because he has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home? Most likely not just as a result of him getting elected.
Feersty Wrote:Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, that grow up in poor housing projects? Yes. Are you kidding?
When did Jack and Feersty start writing for the Washington Post?
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CaptainHenreh Wrote:JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think OB as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard. Because he has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home? Most likely not just as a result of him getting elected.
Feersty Wrote:Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, that grow up in poor housing projects? Yes. Are you kidding?
When did Jack and Feersty start writing for the Washington Post?
Feersty just copies whatever he sees the intelligent people on HT saying.
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Kaan Wrote:Mike Wrote:intelligent people on HT
the coffee almost came out of my nose!
there are a few.
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G.Irish Wrote:Dave Wrote:Feersty Wrote:Do you guys think Barack as president will lower crimes or influence the unmotivated to get out there and work hard? He has shown that he was able to reach the highest office from modest beginnings, and a broken home. Might that be the motivation to move people?
Does him becoming president give hope to the least among us, in particular those that grow up in poor housing projects, with lots of violence and drugs around?
Or, looking at the motivation behind the thinking Million Man March and the Millions More March where oral committments were made by those involved, but a lot of those promises did not seem to come to fruition. Just thinking out loud. Could people just feel a blip, and then go back to their same old ways, after the novelty is over? No. People are motivated by the need/desire for them to better themselves, not because somebody was able to accomplish something. If a person is inspired by the accomplishments of another, it will be short-lived unless they have a personal stake and are willing to make sacrifices to accomplish it. Regardless of what race or walk of life you come from, in our world you can accomplish almost anything if you are willing to work for it.
None of Little Lebowski Urban Achievers accomplished something b/c a dude in a wheelchair supported them; they did it for themselves.
I think for some people it will inspire them because they can see what is possible and it might be greater than what they thought possible. I'm sure we've all had an experience in our life when someone did something big and we thought, "Hey, I could do that too." It's not that we were lazy and uninspired before, it's just that you didn't know what you were capable of until you saw an example.
I think Obama getting elected will help some people change their attitudes about their lots in life. Especially for Black America. No one can say, "The Man is holding me down," when The Man is a black dude.
He won't cure poverty or 'pay your gas bill' but don't underestimate how big his victory is for people in this country and around the world. A lot of us take the American Dream for granted because maybe we've always had it there in front of us but for those for whom it has always been a fairy tale Obama's election might be the kick in the pants they need.
Yes, that is what I suspected. I mean people are so happy about it, and if that makes Americans come together, then perhaps him becoming president is the best for the country.
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Wow. that is impressive.
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hahah Jacko, Feersty is on your side now! :lol:
Maybe I'll switch sides too...
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