Surviving Winter: A Motorcyclist's Guide
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Survivng Winter: A Motorcyclist's Guide

I got my motorcyclist's license endorsement in November of 2004. Winter was fast approaching... but it meant no wait to take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's Basic Rider Course, which would net me a license, and, I mean, I had a motorcycle, after all. I set about riding every day. Every day, of course, was colder than the last and the next thing I knew I was wearing 5 layers, still feeling like I'd spent the night in the back of a walk in freezer. Riding cold, though, was still more fun than driving warm.

The girl I was dating at the time had a father with a, uhm, colorful pallet. We butted heads on most every topic imaginable - motorcycles were no exception. Aside from not wanting his daughter anywhere near one of those two wheeled donor cycles, he accused me of riding in the cold because I was still green to the sport. "No way you'll do that next year" he'd say to me when I'd show up to visit his daughter, bundled up like the Michelin man. I would laugh politely while the little voice in the back of my head made nasty comments about his receeding hairline.

Riding, now, into my fourth winter I keep hoping I'll run into him somewhere. Every year I manage to make myself a little bit more comfortable and have a little bit more fun. This year, I'm hoping, will be no exception. I'm more willing to write larger checks for appropriate gear each time around, and I feel like I better know what I'm looking for, too. I'm riding around on a naked bike, too; if I can survive every little windblast of winter on it then what I learn should make year round riding a Real Alternative to a heated cabin for those with more practical motorcycles.

Here, I hope to present what I learn - what products and tricks have worked for me, and what haven't. I can't provide a comprehensive guide to everything, of course, everybody's experiences will vary, but I feel that any accumulation of knowledge is better than none.

Your Bike

If you're like me, changing to a winter motorcycle isn't a very realistic solution to changing temperatures. Bikes like BMW's R1200GS that produce enough current to power a small house have the windprotection of two or three motorcycles are simply too much money to have sitting in the wings for limited use (of course, if you can own up to the idea that you're not the next Nicky Hayden, then a less narrowly focused motorcycle than the latest sport replica should be on your short list to consider). That doesn't mean that there's nothing which can be done, however.

If you're riding a sportbike then consider something like Puig's Double Bubble windscreen. How much cold air nails you, the rider, will play a significant part in how cold (and how tired) you get while milling about in less than ideal conditions. If you're riding a naked, like I am, then it's worth looking into windscreens and deflectors there, too. I'll be investigating universal options for my bike. Bigger screens, although nerdy looking, have the added benefit of making your motorcycle more practical for longer distance, high speed use.

Some motorcycles, like Buell's Ulysses, BMW's R1XXGS, and Suzuki's VStrom are available with full wrap hand guards. These differ from supermoto and motorcross style guards in that they provide wind coverage from mount point to mount point. While dirtbike oriented guards aren't totally worthless, closed side guards pay huge dividends to keep the wind from wicking heat away from your most vulnurable extremeties. I'll be attempting to fit a pair of these soon. They won't work on your fairing'd sportbike, but they generally compliment naked bikes well and you'll be happy to have them on cold days. Functionally, I can't forsee any drawbacks.

Since we're talking about handlebars, heated grips have to come up at least once. Personally, I'm not a fan. You run the risk of leaving them on after you walk away from the bike (and unless you're using a deep cycle battery, in addition to having a bike that won't start you'll have a damaged battery). You could wire in a relay, but this, of course, entails sourcing more parts than heated grip kits come with: if this is an option you'd be interested in, you'll want to run a relay switch to avoid sucking the ~2 amps of current the grips pull through the OEM harness. Heated grips also tend to leave the tips of your fingers cold. To top it off, they rest on a giant heatsink, which reduces their efficiency. If you're working with a motorcycle not designed for electrical accessories, efficiency is something you'll want to give a nod to.

I've heard of heated seats... but really, are you serious? Don't be a pussy.

Your Gear

Lets get one thing straight right off the bat: your Marlon Brando jacket goes in the closet this winter. That goes for Power Ranger leathers, the top half of your two piece suit, and even your mondo expensive Vanson/Dainese equivelant... leather doesn't cut it in the winter. One can make it suck less than normal by adding layers and liners, Vanson offers the Streamliner series of liners for their jackets which are extremely effectively at extending the range of the leather into the deep fall, but leather won't hold a candle to a well engineered textile. When I bought my winter textile the difference between it and my layered leather was night and day... as an added side benefit, when you buy a nice cold weather textile you don't have to worry about how the layers you stack on underneath will effect fitment. I don't have to wear any extra layers down to about 40*!

Of course, you want to make sure that whatever you buy fits you well. Poor fitment will create problems that wouldn't exist otherwise.You want a good, snug fit. Air space is your enemy in the winter time.. but too snug and things start getting uncomfortable. Use good judgement here.

There are a couple features that I feel are worth looking for. First, I like a good 3 layer jacket - heavy duty textile outer, some kind of rain and/or phase change material (PCM) liner to help block wind and, uhm, rain, and a nice, thick thermal liner. These combine the right elements to keep you warm and provide flexibility to extend the temperature range of the garment... no more fussing with early spring and late fall. It also seems to be an ideal solution to the cold morning/warm afternoon problem. Venting is nice, but make sure the zippers are waterproof as they're a potential weka point in the rain as well as a source for cold air to cut in (and if it's raining and cold and you're cold and wet then life doesn't get much worse).

Second, I like a good 3/4 or full length jacket. They help keep Your Boys warm and provide tremendous utility... I've got 2 huge, easily accessible outer pockets, a Napoleon style chest pocket, a cell phone holder in the liner (so i can actually feel when it vibrates - not like I can answer it, but it's nice when I'm waiting for an alarm or call), and an internal kidney pocket. And they're all waterproof. If you can't stomach the look, though, several manufacturers make sport-style cuts for the winter. Before you pull the trigger you should ask yourself if winter is the time to make fashion calls.

I'll post more as I write it. I'm tired of writing now, so check back later.
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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+1 on fairings/windscreens being very useful when it's cold.

Heated grips are damn nice to have though. I wear typical leather gloves with a thin liner over the heated grips in winter and it's great. The tips of your fingers get cold, but that's better than having your whole hand get cold. Also, since your hands are like little heat-shedding radiators, having something to replenish your body heat at the extremities is an added overall benefit. You're just afraid of letting the magic smoke out. Wiring in a key-on relay is stupid easy.

I'm riding with a heated jacket liner now too. It plugs into the accessory socket on BMW's and does a fantastic job of keeping me warm, even when I'm only wearing a leather jacket over it. Riding the 90 miles home from my parents place at dusk last night I felt not the slightest discomfort. I'm sure that wearing it under my winter textile will be uncomfortable, due to excess heat.

Which brings me to something you should add. With a winter jacket, it should have adjustable straps so it can accommodate layering. Riding with a T-shirt under your winter jacket only works down to about 40 degrees, below that you will want to layer, or for long distances you will want to layer. Thermal undershirt, T-shirt, and a wool sweater is usually what I wear. A neck covering is also good....a turtleneck sweater, or a scarf of some sort. You can lose a lot of heat from the major arteries running near the surface of your neck.

Heated kit is great, but not all bikes will support it. Most will. My '71 R60/5 would not. Anything with a modern three-phase charging system and a solid-state regulator/rectifier will. except maybe a VFR. It might not produce enough current at idle, but as soon as the motor spins up and you're moving it will.
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I think this is my winter gear this year:

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Call me a big pussy, but I just dont have an interest this year and I've ridden the F4i once in the past 3 weeks.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
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All good advice.

Adjustability over the length of the jacket is important, as Phil noted. I need it, usually, just to get my jackets to fit to begin with because I'm a toothpick of a dude.

As for wearing a heated liner under a purpose made winter textile and being too hot: since it's not as simple for most of us as plug and go the way BMW sockets are, I forgot to mention that a heat troller/controller device should be considered mandatory. I'm hoping I'll be able to keep my heated gloves barely on once I've got the windblockers running. Once you've got controllers for your heated gear it seems like you're pretty much set for most winter conditions without having to carry around 4 or 5 different layers. Chilly? Turn the liner on 1. Cold? 5... Popsicle? 11 Wink It's not always that simple, of course, but I'm hoping it'll beat what I've got.

Do you have any advice for neck coverings? I'd like something thin and/or polypro, like my headsock, so that I can still take advantage of the RevIt jacket's sealing-style opening (side note - fitment: make sure your jacket isn't "off" in any particular area. The jacket that Phil and I both have has a sealing ring type collar [closest popular thing to compare to would be a mandarin collar] - normally I wear it open because when I buckle it shut it rubs my neck skin a little raw. In addition to helping keep heat in, a good neck piece would solve this... but it has to be thin because I've got the collar adjusted to it's maximum opening and I don't have much room). I just remembered that Gerbings heated liners run high up the neck when they're all the way zipped... better than nothing.

Oh, Phil, also, do you have any advice for testing power consumption? I'd like to see if my bike will support a both a full heated liner and heated gloves. I know how much current my stator can produce, but I'm not sure what it takes to run the bike now. Output-Stock Consumption = How much I have to play with
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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That's, uhm, good advice, RJ?
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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Its comfy and warm and it doesnt take me much longer to get to work than if I rode. The parking thing is a big problem, and pain in the ass - there's spots in the garage I park in that will tag the roof if I'm not careful, and the parking spots are tiny.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
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The best kinda advice for surviving winter!
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944

"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
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I like riding my motorcycle... some other people do, too. That's kind of why this is here. If you drive, that's great, I'm glad you're not cold, but, um, why do you feel the need to share?
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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You said tips for surviving winter. Now had you said tips for enjoying winter. Tongue

Where does one draw the line with artificial heat? Why are heated grips and vests okay, but not seats?
'76 911S | '14 328xi | '17 GTI | In memoriam: '08 848, '85 944

"Here, at last, is the cure for texting while driving. The millions of deaths which occur every year due to the iPhone’s ability to stream the Kim K/Ray-J video in 4G could all be avoided, every last one of them, if the government issued everyone a Seventies 911 and made sure they always left the house five minutes later than they’d wanted to. It would help if it could be made to rain as well. Full attention on the road. Guaranteed." -Jack Baruth
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when i mt biked in the winter, the hands, nose and ears were the coldest. core was easy to keep warm because you were pedalling your ass off (obviously doenst apply here lazyasses)
do you have to modify your helmet to keep air from getting in?
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Apoc Wrote:You said tips for surviving winter. Now had you said tips for enjoying winter. Tongue

This IS the motorcycle section...

Apoc Wrote:Where does one draw the line with artificial heat? Why are heated grips and vests okay, but not seats?

I don't know about you, but I don't really ever recall my butt getting cold. The statement was kind of sarcastic, but if you're getting chilly there, then I think warming everything else up first will pay bigger dividends for the current you're using. We're working with significantly less power than a car, so at some point you need to say enough is a enough. If you really want a heated seat, then for go it, but you're going to have to sacrifice something else for it.

Evan Wrote:do you have to modify your helmet to keep air from getting in?

I spent a lot money on my helmet, so it feels like it seals pretty well. I won't complain about until I'm in the low 20's and every little bit of air creeping past my visor causes my eyes to water. Right now I'm using a a Fog City Hyper Optix insert, which means I pretty much never have to think about my helmet - it auto darkens in the sun, and stops fogging so I don't even have to open the shield at a stop (separate review to follow). I've also taken to using a modified skull cap. I started using it to keep my gelled up hair from getting the helmet liner dirty, but it's also very nice to have on cold days. I like it more than my balaclava, which cuases fitment pain... I think with a neck covering and the skullcap I'll be set.

But really, far and away, my fingers are the worst. I'm going to go up to Bob's this weekend and poke around at the GS' to see if I could modify the handguards to fit my bike and see if they've got the Gerbings G3 gloves in stock (again, hand stuff to follow).
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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There are times I wouldn't mind having a heated seat. One of my co-workers rides a K1200RS that came with a heated seat, and he says it's the best thing since heated bread. Personally, I don't draw lines with heated gear. If you want to use it, go for it. With heated grips and a fairing that protects my hands, I don't feel a need for heated gloves. They make heated socks, but I don't have a pair of boots they would fit in (you'd need a size or two larger, at least). pants? I usually only wear jeans, but in the winter I'll add long underwear. I may pick up some warmer riding pants this year, but I'm not going to heat them yet.

For the neck, besides a turtleneck or a scarf, if you go to REI there are usually some fleece things that work. I think I remember seeing some motorcycle-specific neck coverings in the apparel dept. at some point, but I don't recall. I've been using a dickie for several years....it's just the neck out of a turtleneck with a bib that covers the tops of your shoulders, back and chest. It works ok. I always lose it in the spring though, and don't generally find it until mid-late November. Actually, that is the case with a lot of the little things that form part of my winter attire....I just found my glove liners, I still haven't found my helmet nosepeice, I haven't found my balaclava....

To see if your charging system will support the stuff, you'd need to know the maximum draw of the gear and your charging system's maximum output BEFORE the r/r. the r/r will pull voltage down to a pre-determined level, so if you're stator is pushing 15v at idle, and 22v at 6k, your battery will always see 13.4, or 13.8, or 14.1, or whatever. at the same time, if your stator kicks out 11v at idle, and 20v at 6k, at idle you will get 11v, which will climb until the regulator caps it.

Most bikes have charging idiot lights, which is usually a picture of a battery or something. turn key on, light is on. start motor, light goes out, because with the motor running it's charging. easiest way to test whether or not your bike can support gear is to start the bike, plug in ALL accessories you will be using, and turn them all up as high as they will go. If your light stays off, you're ok. If your charge light turns on, you will be draining the battery. You can also do it with a voltmeter across the battery terminals. measure the current at idle, then measure the current at idle with all your shit plugged in.
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back in Harrisonburg I ran into a Honda cruiser rider who got some 1/4" (maybe thicker) plexiglass (or something similar) and cut it appropriate and then used clamps from home depot (same type of clamps used for attaching highway bars to engine guards) and made himself some serious air deflectors for his legs. I'm going to do that in the future if necessary. Hands and legs/feet are the most overlooked areas I see when people are riding in the winter.

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Call me crazy, but my legs have just never bothered me in the winter.

I went looking for my polypro headsock... I haven't found it, but I found my Schampa. I picked it up at Coleman last time I lost the headsock. The sales guy was like "oh yeah, we have what you're looking for" - the Schampa wasn't what I really wanted but I bought it anyway 'cause I'm a dummy. It's got a very thick covering around the neck shoulders, and is slightly thinner under the helmet. You need a larger helmet than usual, but I happened to have one laying around and I gave it a shot - excellent! I was significantly warmer than before I put it on with all the same other gear and it was actually later at night. It also solved my abraison problem with the closure of my winter jacket at the neck.

I don't particularly like the idea of using my old helmet. Since I go in to the office early and leaev early it's often significantly warmer when I go home than in the morning when I left (OK - who doesn't have that problem?). I absolutely hate the helmet without some kind of headsock. It's just not comfortable (it's a Shoei, I mean, how the hell can you people wear those things? The liners are like sandpaper) but I also hate the idea of going home sweating in my lid. It's better than freezing, though, and I could always carry both helmets, or both thin and thick headsocks.

Thanks for the voltage tip, Phil, I'll give my multimeter a shot when I pick up some gloves. Ironically, I feel like I'll be drawing the line at heated gloves.. maybe a jacket/liner if my charging system can support it. I really like the idea of the powered gear because I hate carrying extra stuff. I feel like the heated stuff gives me a huge range of temperatures with just one set of gear. The extra stress on the bike isn't so great, so I may decide against the idea and get some RevIt Celsius gloves (what I've heard are pretty much the best winter gloves out there). Who knows? I'm fickle.
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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asteele2 Wrote:I may decide against the idea and get some RevIt Celsius gloves (what I've heard are pretty much the best winter gloves out there). Who knows? I'm fickle.

I've never had cold hands with the winter gloves I have - often, my hands are a little sweaty when I take them off, even in 25-30 deg weather. The downside is there's about zero feel for the controls with them. Try that with an RC51 in the winter :/
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
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.RJ Wrote:I've never had cold hands with the winter gloves I have - often, my hands are a little sweaty when I take them off, even in 25-30 deg weather. The downside is there's about zero feel for the controls with them. Try that with an RC51 in the winter :/

See? You CAN be a productive member of society Wink

My Olympia winter gloves are good like that, too, but the controls are a guessing game and the insulation moves around too much (probably because I'm in between sizes). I'm hoping the Gerbing G3 gloves will be a cure-all for non-summer gloves. Leave them off for mild days, and turn them up the hotter it gets.
When it comes to Ryan Jenkins, the story ends with me putting him in the wall.

2009 Speed Triple | 2006 DR-Z400SM | 1999 CBR600F4 | 1998 Jeep Cherokee

-Ginger
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